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More from UK Forces News on the Ukrainian 5 week courses in the UK.

200 civilians per intake. 5 weeks of instruction. Down selection of Junior Leaders on the fly from the course.

Ukraininian Platoon Commanders brought in to advise, revise and brief back the Brits. Lessons Learned

18,000 Ukrainians reported dead by Ben Wallace - since 2014.

Amazing what can be accomplished when there is a distinct sense of purpose present…

Tell me again…WHY does it take us a month (almost the same timeframe) just to have recruits marching in a uniform they can wear properly, while able to properly handle a C7?

(Rhetorical)
 

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Amazing what can be accomplished when there is a distinct sense of purpose present…

Tell me again…WHY does it take us a month (almost the same timeframe) just to have recruits marching in a uniform they can wear properly, while able to properly handle a C7?

(Rhetorical)

To be fair, they only need to be good enough to make it through the first couple of weeks of battle.

After that, they could come back to train us how to win against the Russians.
 

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To be fair, they only need to be good enough to make it through the first couple of weeks of battle.

After that, they could come back to train us how to win against the Russians.
Clearly they didn’t know it was Impossible to have a Military without months of DLN Death by PowerPoint.
Maybe the CAF could convene some for them ;)
 

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Clearly they didn’t know it was Impossible to have a Military without months of DLN Death by PowerPoint.
Maybe the CAF could convene some for them ;)

I know a guy who joined the RLI in the 70s, at the height of the Bush War. He had prior military service, but they put him in with all the new recruits who were mostly people from urban areas.

Lesson 1 on the FN/FAL: 'Here's a rifle. Let's go outside and shoot it.'

Lesson 2 on the FN/FAL: 'Let's take our dirty rifles apart and clean them.'

There were no safety or other issues. Within a couple of weeks they were doing section attacks ;)
 

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Foolhardy Russian sentences his squad mates to death:

Have seen various versions of this clip. With the camera angle cuts and lack of footage (that I have seen) of the prone soldiers being deliberately shot (vs crossfire/instinctive aim rounds off intended target and ricochets) I call BS on the headline and assumption.

Anyone found the OP of the original claim of a war crime and tracked its origin? Where are the photos of the rest of the dead squad? I only see the shooter who fell back out of sunlight into the hut.

There are undoubtedly better video collators and analysers than me - however with a section at close range all edgy and onguard suddenly coming under fire, there are going to be triggers pulled instintively then aim corrected. That is WAR not a war crime. A war crime would be the deliberate targeted shooting of the surrendered.

But then again, opinion of a leg not a lawyer.
 

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Have seen various versions of this clip. With the camera angle cuts and lack of footage (that I have seen) of the prone soldiers being deliberately shot (vs crossfire/instinctive aim rounds off intended target and ricochets) I call BS on the headline and assumption.

Anyone found the OP of the original claim of a war crime and tracked its origin? Where are the photos of the rest of the dead squad? I only see the shooter who fell back out of sunlight into the hut.

There are undoubtedly better video collators and analysers than me - however with a section at close range all edgy and onguard suddenly coming under fire, there are going to be triggers pulled instintively then aim corrected. That is WAR not a war crime. A war crime would be the deliberate targeted shooting of the surrendered.

But then again, opinion of a leg not a lawyer.
The War Crime is actually the false surrender.
 

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I know a guy who joined the RLI in the 70s, at the height of the Bush War. He had prior military service, but they put him in with all the new recruits who were mostly people from urban areas.

Lesson 1 on the FN/FAL: 'Here's a rifle. Let's go outside and shoot it.'

Lesson 2 on the FN/FAL: 'Let's take our dirty rifles apart and clean them.'

There were no safety or other issues. Within a couple of weeks they were doing section attacks ;)
I fly with a guy who was an 8 year old at the time, who along with the other males in his family, defended his homestead with a FAL. Acquiring a sight picture and servicing a target is not rocket science. And all the CBT/DLN in the world won't make it so. It just keeps IT, weak instructors, paper pushers and bean counters happy.
 

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Have seen various versions of this clip. With the camera angle cuts and lack of footage (that I have seen) of the prone soldiers being deliberately shot (vs crossfire/instinctive aim rounds off intended target and ricochets) I call BS on the headline and assumption.

Anyone found the OP of the original claim of a war crime and tracked its origin? Where are the photos of the rest of the dead squad? I only see the shooter who fell back out of sunlight into the hut.

There are undoubtedly better video collators and analysers than me - however with a section at close range all edgy and onguard suddenly coming under fire, there are going to be triggers pulled instintively then aim corrected. That is WAR not a war crime. A war crime would be the deliberate targeted shooting of the surrendered.

But then again, opinion of a leg not a lawyer.
How does that make my post a troll?
 

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A bit of porn for the tankees. 10 minutes of Gopro video from inside Russian tanks.

Two companies? of Russian tanks, fighting for ground 7 km from the end of the Donetsk airport runway. Not much movement in 8 years.



Further to...

Analysis from Forbes

 

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Tell me again…WHY does it take us a month (almost the same timeframe) just to have recruits marching in a uniform they can wear properly, while able to properly handle a C7?
With all due respect to trainers and trainees in our system, we’re training soldiers who may go into battle at some point, as opposed to UKR training troops who will be going into battle tout suite. One group has the luxury of “could be” as opposed to the other having “WILL” be - and soon.
 
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