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Good2Golf

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Do you think that the Russian's would tip off the int'l aviation community to leave Ukrainian airspace just before they move in?
Don't know if they'd care or not about another Malaysian Airways disaster.
Lessons Learned from MH-17 would indicate no.
 

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... Well this paints a grim picture of Russia preparing for war. Reserves being called up ...
Meanwhile, in UKR ...
As part of the deployment of the Territorial Defense System in Ukraine, more than 150 battalions will be created, each soldier of which will be assigned a weapon, the press service of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reported on Tuesday.

"As part of the Territorial Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the formation of 25 brigades (one region - one brigade) continues, which will unite more than 150 battalions (one battalion per district). The permanent strength of the Territorial Defense in peacetime will be 10,000 military personnel. According to the state of the special period, the units of the Territorial Defense will number more than 130,000 people, for which an appropriate reserve will be formed," the message, released following the meeting on the deployment of a territorial defense system, says ...
Edited to add attached Google translation of UKR MoD statement on Territorial Def Forces (original in Ukrainian archived here)

Also, some YT video of Brit goodies arriving ....
More from the UKR MoD info-machine (Google translation of this in Ukrainian)
Another consignment of international technical assistance from Great Britain to the Armed Forces of Ukraine has arrived in Ukraine. This time the partners provided new light anti-tank weapons.

Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine for European Integration Anatoliy Petrenko noted that this will strengthen Ukraine's defense capabilities, and the funds provided will be used exclusively for defense purposes.

"Undoubtedly, this will strengthen our troops, it will strengthen our defense capabilities. And I want to emphasize that this assistance will be used exclusively for defense purposes, to protect our troops, to protect critical infrastructure, and to protect civilians from any manifestations, any actions that could lead to escalation, "- Anatoliy Petrenko emphasized.

The Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine for European Integration also thanked the people and the Government of the United Kingdom for their support and expressed hope for further cooperation.
 

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Meanwhile, in UKR ...

Edited to add attached Google translation of UKR MoD statement on Territorial Def Forces (original in Ukrainian archived here)

Also, some YT video of Brit goodies arriving ....
More from the UKR MoD info-machine (Google translation of this in Ukrainian)
I saw that clip of the RAF plane on the Twitter feed of @girkingirkin

He's got alot of interesting clips from that area.
 

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Weather forecast 14 days out for Kiev and Kharkov range from 1c to -8c for the highs with lots of cloud cover and then fog from the 28th through 1Feb. Some snow in the 25-27th Jan time period.
Donetsk will range from highs of 2c with rain to -5c, with sunny mix towards the end of the month.
Feb 1 there will be no moon in Kiev, same timing as fog for the weather.
For the next two weeks there looks to be no big significant cold snap or snow storms. Not sure if any of this will factor into the Russian plans. The end of Stalingrad closed out on 2 Feb.
Winter Olympics start Feb 4th.
 

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Plus the US may move or have moved Ex Afghan MI-17's to the Ukraine. 4 to start of the about 2 dozen aircraft that escaped the fall of Kabul.

 

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Plus the US may move or have moved Ex Afghan MI-17's to the Ukraine. 4 to start of the about 2 dozen aircraft that escaped the fall of Kabul.

How long do helicopters last in a scenario where Russia has total air superiority?

1 day or 2 days?

The US response to this has been completely asinine
 

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How long do helicopters last in a scenario where Russia has total air superiority?

1 day or 2 days?

The US response to this has been completely asinine
Is it asinine or just enough to say you did something but not enough to really help?

I think the administration has already wrote off the Ukraine. On to build back better.
 

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Is it asinine or just enough to say you did something but not enough to really help?
Oh, it's clear they plan do next to nothing and then say it's up to Ukraine to defend itself, just like Afghanistan.

The rules have been written now, if you're outside of NATO and Russia or China wanted to conquer you, you're done. US will fun your insurgency.

I think the administration has already wrote off the Ukraine. On to build back better.
Yup, just going to close their eyes and ignore the end of Ukraine. Just like they did with Crimea, just like they did with Hong Kong, just like they will do with Taiwan.
 

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Remember the USA saying they would remove Russia from the international banking system dealing a severe blow to the Russian economy?


Western governments are no longer considering cutting Russian banks off from the Swift global payments system, Germany's Handelsblatt newspaper reported, citing German government sources.


Handelsblatt reported that, according to its government sources, economic sanctions targeting major Russian banks were being considered as an alternative.

The west couldn't even commit to that. Just rolling over.
 

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Oh, it's clear they plan do next to nothing and then say it's up to Ukraine to defend itself, just like Afghanistan.

The rules have been written now, if you're outside of NATO and Russia or China wanted to conquer you, you're done. US will fun your insurgency.


Yup, just going to close their eyes and ignore the end of Ukraine. Just like they did with Crimea, just like they did with Hong Kong, just like they will do with Taiwan.
So if you're Taiwan. Do you cut the best deal now or wait and go down fighting? Or the third option move the nuke program to high gear? But in realty a couple nukes would probably not stop the CCP.
 

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So if you're Taiwan. Do you cut the best deal now or wait and go down fighting? Or the third option move the nuke program to high gear? But in realty a couple nukes would probably not stop the CCP.
Prep for BIP’ing 2/3 of the World’s semiconductor production…
 

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Found it -

“There will be no columns of tanks,” General Buzhinsky said in a phone interview. “They will just destroy all the Ukrainian infrastructure from the air, just like you do it.”

I think they’ve been practicing some in Syria…
 

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Remember the USA saying they would remove Russia from the international banking system dealing a severe blow to the Russian economy?




The west couldn't even commit to that. Just rolling over.
A spokesperson for the White House National Security Council rejected the Handelsblatt story.

It seems that the Germans are balking at this. Could also be the Russians planting false/misleading info, which I sometimes wonder if that occurs on here.
 

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A spokesperson for the White House National Security Council rejected the Handelsblatt story.

It seems that the Germans are balking at this. Could also be the Russians planting false/misleading info, which I sometimes wonder if that occurs on here.
As goes Germany, as goes Europe.

I don't know everything about SWIFT, is it a US run system? Can the USA block Russia and Europe continues with business as usual?

Regardless, if this is the case we are seeing a huge public split on the response to Russia.
 

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That plane looks to have a flight line to:

LOHEGAON AIR FORCE BASE AIRPORT (PUNE (POONA)) PNQ​

That Antonov was in Goose Bay prior to landing in Huntsville Alabama....

 
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