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Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

hattrick72

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Removing oneself from the CoC? Does everybody have that option?
You have two options, you go to mental health and layout why you need MELs and you remove yourself from the CoC, but may well fall within that CoC's responsibility. The second option is you VR and that completely removes you from the CoC. If you VR now, you too can be a part of the transition center.
 

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You have two options, you go to mental health and layout why you need MELs and you remove yourself from the CoC, but may well fall within that CoC's responsibility. The second option is you VR and that completely removes you from the CoC. If you VR now, you too can be a part of the transition center.
Right, those options have always have existed, as we all know, but I’ve never seen anyone removed from a CoC outside terminating service. You always answer to someone in one way or another, do you not? That seems to be a CoC to me.
 

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The TC becomes your unit and your CoC. It can be permanent, or temporary depending on the situation.
 

Weinie

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Right, those options have always have existed, as we all know, but I’ve never seen anyone removed from a CoC outside terminating service. You always answer to someone in one way or another, do you not? That seems to be a CoC to me.
Right. Parsing actions instead of acknowledging actions. LGen Rouleau has resigned. He no longer is part of the CAF CoCfrom a Command construct. He will still be part of a admin CoC until such time as he retires.
 

Pieman

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All these allegations could have been handled with a couple of meetings and some conversations between the two parties. You know, like how adults solve problems.

Imagine being punished and losing your career for checking in on the well being of a fellow soldier no matter the situation, does that seem fair or just? F the investigation. We all know that nothing would take higher priority than knowing the well being of another soldier potentially in trouble.

This Man asks Vance to go golfing with the intension of making sure he is doing okay, and ends up losing his career. I realize there are some ethical issues due to the investigation, and it could have been done smarter. However, that's how he decided to do it and should just have been moved to clear any bias in the investigation.

What if Vance hung himself over the stress of this situation? People would be strung up for not checking in on him.
 

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I was under the impression that a posting to JPSU or even just going on medical leave takes a while to facilitate.
Medical leave can be fairly quick, sometime arranging for continuing or specialist care not so much
Took me about a 2 weeks from injury to JPSU, has a amazing Adj who got everything rolling quickly
That is super fast and not the norm. It was also likely easier as a Pres mbr as D Mil C did not have to get involved as they are often the slowest point in the process. Other key hang-ups are the medical staff approving JPSSU as a viable option and the units themselves as they need to start the process but are also the lynch pin to keep the ball rolling. Often they lose sight of an application as it bounces from org to org.
 

Jarnhamar

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Imagine being punished and losing your career for checking in on the well being of a fellow soldier no matter the situation, does that seem fair or just?
It's disingenuous for anyone to suggest LGen Rouleau didn't expect this to go down exactly how it went down. I think he went into this knowing it would hit the public, knowing how the PMO would react and knowing what he would be asked to do. He's not the kinda guy to get ambushed with a cup of coffee.

Why would he do that? No idea. He could be a little pissed at getting taken out of the VCDS role to fill the "new" strategic advisor to the chief of the Defence Staff on future capabilities- replaced by someone who incidentally gets to proudly wear the mantle of the first female VCDS.

Maybe he doesn't like what happened to General Fortin and this is him giving the finger to Ottawa.
 

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That is super fast and not the norm. It was also likely easier as a Pres mbr as D Mil C did not have to get involved as they are often the slowest point in the process. Other key hang-ups are the medical staff approving JPSSU as a viable option and the units themselves as they need to start the process but are also the lynch pin to keep the ball rolling. Often they lose sight of an application as it bounces from org to org.
Completely possible, As JPSU Calgary got my doctors, physio, and reserve Force compensation all set up really fast. Apparently my CO was calling them frequently to make sure I was looked after. One of the best command teams I've had that year.
 

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It's disingenuous for anyone to suggest LGen Rouleau didn't expect this to go down exactly how it went down. I think he went into this knowing it would hit the public, knowing how the PMO would react and knowing what he would be asked to do. He's not the kinda guy to get ambushed with a cup of coffee.

Why would he do that? No idea. He could be a little pissed at getting taken out of the VCDS role to fill the "new" strategic advisor to the chief of the Defence Staff on future capabilities- replaced by someone who incidentally gets to proudly wear the mantle of the first female VCDS.

Maybe he doesn't like what happened to General Fortin and this is him giving the finger to Ottawa.

I tend to think that MGen Rouleau knew exactly what he was doing as well. What I can't find a reasonable explanation for, is that if that was his intention, how did CRCN get dragged into it? If Rouleau wanted to give the finger to Ottawa for a host of possible reasons, why wouldn't he do it himself?

Seems unlikely that CRCN had similar intentions as it looks like he's trying to stay on.
 

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This is some 2nd year Pte level of humor, for your sake I hope you actually are that young.

While many have been quite overzealous with their demands for inclusion and being referred to a certain way, responding to a run of the mill comment which uses she with that level of outburst is pretty damned immature. The number of times I've ever been asked to refer to someone by their pronouns in uniform is a whopping zero, the number of times some ignoramus made a GBA+/did you assume my gender joke as though it was an intelligent thought worth sharing, is infinite.

Grow up
Check your outrage at the door please.
 
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