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Electric Vehicles and related issues (split from B.C. Heat Dome thread)

kev994

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Yeah. I’m looking at it too, but mindful of the storage side of things…Tesla Wall units or fancy contracted solutions aren’t cheap. I’m tempted to MacGuyver the storage myself…wait til Costco has a sale on car batteries, and splurge on a good controller.

I’ll name the storage bank “Vasili’s Wall” in honour of Vasili Borodin, who “wanted to see Montana”…Big Sky Country with lots of sun.
I don’t think you can buy a Powerwall if you wanted to; last I read they’re only selling them with Tesla Roofs because they’re completely swamped in demand. Apparently everyone in California wants one because of rolling blackouts last year. I’m just going to tie to the grid as Ontario has net-metering and my area has pretty reliable power.
 

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I’m just going to tie to the grid as Ontario has net-metering and my area has pretty reliable power.
My area won’t accept any more feed-ins — area farmers saturated the area with panel farms that according to Ontario Hydro, maxed out the ability of the local grid to absorb any more feed. So, it’ll be own-use with storage, however I implement that.
 

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I will get excited when they are doing it, i been around long enough to see so many exciting breakthrough that don't pan out. Battery tech now is still about 30 years behind on the promises made in the 80/90's
Well luckily the alleged lithium shortage Isn’t actually a real problem.
Also worth noting that a large portion of the reserves are not in China since that was one of the concerns.
 
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There aren’t Rare Earth Elements in Batteries the critical elements are Lithium and Cobalt. Lithium is plentiful and Cobalt is being phased out of batteries; it’s one of the made up problems that we already covered. Are you guys going to research anything or just continue to spew junk that you heard on Twitter?
You are being obtuse. Rare earth elements are present in every windmill constructed and I believe solar panels as well. The two issues are joined together and cannot be separated as they are all part of the solution.
 

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You’re making up problems with no basis in fact to justify that you want to keep doing what you’re doing.
You have not refuted a single point except for the length of battery usage and I apologize for that error it should have read 8 years. You are simply burying your head in the sand and either ignoring or ridiculing any evidence that contradicts your pre-determined mindset. You have made statements I have provided evidence, with references, that either totally refute or at the least call into question the statements which you made. Instead of posting contrary evidence you simply inferred that I was either lying or at least inventing the points that I brought up. Have a good day.
 

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You have not refuted a single point except for the length of battery usage and I apologize for that error it should have read 8 years. You are simply burying your head in the sand and either ignoring or ridiculing any evidence that contradicts your pre-determined mindset. You have made statements I have provided evidence, with references, that either totally refute or at the least call into question the statements which you made. Instead of posting contrary evidence you simply inferred that I was either lying or at least inventing the points that I brought up. Have a good day.
You’ve provided no evidence. You’ve spewed out factoids that you heard on Fox News 5 years ago. I google the factoid and find one article from an ultra-conservative magazine 5 years ago and a litany of articles showing that this problem has been solved or never existed to begin with. The idea that global warming is a farce because in 1988 Congress said that the temperature would rise by 1.5 degrees by 2021 but it’s only risen by 0.6 doesn’t make any sense. Margin of error only applies year to year, not when it’s trending. Source
 

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My area won’t accept any more feed-ins — area farmers saturated the area with panel farms that according to Ontario Hydro, maxed out the ability of the local grid to absorb any more feed. So, it’ll be own-use with storage, however I implement that.
They’re still doing that? I remember that was a problem with the feed in tariffs when I left circa 2012 and they had to buy it at a loss, Ontario Hydro just wouldn’t connect some people. I just assumed this would have been resolved by now. Sigh.
 

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10 years for a modern car is nothing and be careful about the clauses in those warranties. As the number of EV increases, they are going to tweak those warranties to be tighter and tighter to reduce costs. Right now, a good rep and support is critical to marketing success. I don't think anyone really has a good handle on the used EV market yet, it's to early to see what will impact price.
Rich covers this from a Telsa perspective which to be fair has the oddest attitude to aftermarket sales.
 

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This is the video I referenced earlier, it shows the current weakness in the post warranty support for EV's, while kudeo's for their ingenuity, being dependent on a used car part supply is risky, as more shops do this, the demand for that limited supply will make critical components hard to obtain. You may see a cottage industry in pulling apart batteries and rebuilding them, but that comes with a high liability risk as well.
 

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This is the video I referenced earlier, it shows the current weakness in the post warranty support for EV's, while kudeo's for their ingenuity, being dependent on a used car part supply is risky, as more shops do this, the demand for that limited supply will make critical components hard to obtain. You may see a cottage industry in pulling apart batteries and rebuilding them, but that comes with a high liability risk as well.
Yeah, Nissan doesn’t want to sell anyone a new battery, there’s more money to be made in selling a new car so they’re being really difficult with used batteries and pricing them to dissuade purchase. There’s a couple companies working on aftermarket batteries but all vapourware so far, most people who replace them are finding batteries from junkyards.
 

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Yeah, Nissan doesn’t want to sell anyone a new battery, there’s more money to be made in selling a new car so they’re being really difficult with used batteries and pricing them to dissuade purchase. There’s a couple companies working on aftermarket batteries but all vapourware so far, most people who replace them are finding batteries from junkyards.
It’s worth noting that this issue is mostly specific to the LEAF because there’s no thermal management, so the batteries are cheap to make but substantially more prone to degradation compared to everything else on the market.
 

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Telsa has the best battery thermal management in the world currently for EV's. Batteries and the electric motors are the souls of EV's. Telsas early motors were garbage and they seemed to have resolved that issue. but the post warranty battery issues is what is going to determine the value of used EV's. Once the subsidies go away and the full cost of EV's come out, that used sale value is going to be key in EV acceptance. I also suspect that the traditional car makers are looking at some of the Telsa solutions and will adopt them and make ICE cars even more affordable and efficient making it harder for EV to gain a larger market share without governments forcing the issue.
 
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