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Domestic Terrorism/Public Attacks on CAF Personnel

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I don't think he's using the death of a soldier as much as he's using the acts of a few extreme individuals that we've been warned about for some time now and that litteraly attacked our seat of government.

Ref the bolded part, I think that is precisely why there is a lot of shock and anger, particular from the "mushy/moderate middle" of Canadian society, who scoffed at the notion of attacking parliament/behead the Prime Minister was even remotely possible and just some outlandish fantasy when the "Toronto 18" were arrested.  They are now seriously rethinking their position after only ONE person managed to penetrate deep into parliament and get off several rounds before being stopped. 
 

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I just saw on CBC news that the shooter had told his aunt the night before that he had converted to Islam and that he was recently trying to obtain a Libyan passport. I know that's a few borders away from ISIL/ISIS but I think that's still an apparent link nonetheless. (I am just a civi though so I think you guys would be a better judge on this).
 

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Crantor said:
I'm not sure I would go that far yet.  We do know that one of these two guys tried to get to Syria and was stopped from travelling and was being monitered but nothing really could be done.  The next one is a bit harder to tell because info is conflicting as of yet.
In fact, here's what BBC is saying about what our Foreign Affairs Minister's saying:
There is no evidence so far that a gunman who attacked Canada's parliament had links to Middle Eastern Islamist extremists, the government has said.

Foreign Minister John Baird told the BBC gunman Michael Zehaf-Bibeau was "certainly radicalised", but was not on a list of high-risk individuals.

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Mr Baird told the BBC there were no substantiated claims yet that Zehaf-Bibeau was associated with Islamic State.

Mr Baird said he was "tremendously concerned about the number of Canadians who are radicalised and are fighting in Syria or Iraq, but we don't have any evidence to link the two at this stage" ....
 

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I think we need to be conscious of the fact - and I think it is a fact - that the radicalization process is very loose, very informal. Yes, indeed, there still are several fiery imans teaching jihad in their mosques ...

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London-based imam Abu Hamza al-Masri
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... but it is slick, English language propaganda, in print but, mostly, online, that is fueling the current generation of young "self radicalized" terrorists.

Incidents like this, the vanadalization of a mosque in Cold Lake ...

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... actually help rather then hinder the "self radicalization" of young Muslims.

 

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I'm not sure I would go that far yet.  We do know that one of these two guys tried to get to Syria and was stopped from travelling and was being monitered but nothing really could be done.  The next one is a bit harder to tell because info is conflicting as of yet.

I don't think he's using the death of a soldier as much as he's using the acts of a few extreme individuals that we've been warned about for some time now and that litteraly attacked our seat of government.


Pierre Poilievre is already bragging that he warned us about this a week ago on his FB page. I think we can say this is a government that is trying to make political hay of a tragic incident. Harper has a notoriously tight leash. If he didn't think it was appropriate for Pierre to be saying this stuff, he wouldn't be saying it. And again, directly referencing CSIS and our foreign policy in his response to this attack is at the very least insinuating a connection. There is no evidence of such a connection yet, so this is irresponsible and manipulative.

https://www.facebook.com/PierrePoilievreMP?hc_location=timeline

And yet more about the shooter:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/23/details-of-michael-zehaf-bibeaus-life-paint-a-picture-of-a-man-troubled-by-drugs-and-crime/
 

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E.R. Campbell said:
Incidents like this, the vanadalization of a mosque in Cold Lake ...

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... actually help rather then hinder the "self radicalization" of young Muslims.
Here's  Minister for Multiculturalism Jason Kenney's response:
“Earlier today vandals spray painted the Cold Lake Mosque in Cold Lake, Alberta with hate messages. This cowardly act is unacceptable and has no place in Canada.

    “Canada is a strong, peaceful, pluralistic nation, and Canadians will not stand for crimes of intolerance and bigotry against anyone.

    “As Minister for Multiculturalism, I call on Canadians to firmly reject this and any other cowardly expressions of hatred against Canadians of any faith.”
Also, the Burnaby mosque we're hearing about these days, while trying to fight extremism, is reportedly getting threats.

As much as I despise the killings, I like to think we're better than this.

The Minister today has issued a statement about the death of Cpl. Cirillo:
“Last Wednesday, the nation watched in horror as passersby and medical professionals tried desperately, but ultimately unsuccessfully, to save the life of Corporal Nathan Cirillo after he was shot while standing sentry at the National War Memorial. This was an appalling event which affected us all, and we mourn with the families and friends of this fine Canadian.

“As we mourn this tragic loss, there will be an opportunity for Canadians to show their respect and support for the Fallen. This afternoon, Corporal Cirillo’s remains will be transported from Ottawa to his hometown of Hamilton, Ontario. The route on which his remains will travel incorporates the section of Highway 401 between Trenton and Toronto which came to be known as the ‘Highway of Heroes’ when fallen Canadian soldiers returned home after dying in service to Canada on overseas missions.

Canadians always showed heart-warming and humbling displays of visual support to fallen soldiers and their families whenever the motorcades travelled that route on their way to Toronto. I would encourage all Canadians who want to show their support to Corporal Cirillo and his family to gather at overpasses along the route this afternoon and offer a show of solidarity. It is my hope that the family of our Fallen may take some comfort in the fact that they do not mourn alone.”
 
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http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/cold-lake-residents-work-together-to-clean-up-vandalized-mosque-rcmp-investigating-1.2069684

Massive amounts of people, includin military in uniform, showed up down there almost immediately either cleaning or dropping off paint, brushes, and coffee for those helping. A local glass company replaced the windows as well.

It was nice to see as you can't really order a pizza, get your hair cut, or return your empties without supporting a muslim-owned business. The chairman of this mosque has lived in CL for 30 years and as chairman of the Lakeland United Way has donated thousands of dollars to the MFRC and other functions here on the wing.

WCom and WCWO showed up as well.
https://twitter.com/KikkiPlanet/status/525749796884475904

 

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So no uniforms and now remove any online presence.
This website will get more interesting  :Tin-Foil-Hat:

ref:  CTV.ca

Military gets new social media policy in wake of attacks

Karolyn Coorsh, CTVNews.ca
Published Friday, October 24, 2014 7:26PM EDT
Last Updated Friday, October 24, 2014 9:25PM EDT


Members of Canada’s National Defence staff and Canadian Armed Forces are being asked to remove any reference to their employment on social media profiles, “especially photographs of military personnel in uniform.”

The Canadian Forces Counter Intelligence Unit issued a new directive regarding social media practices to soldiers and staff on Friday, two days after a reservist guarding the National War Memorial in Ottawa was shot dead.

The staff bulletin was prompted by a recent increase of reports made to the unit’s western branch of military personnel -- or their family members -- receiving “friend requests” on Facebook

more at link...
 

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These is sound advice regardless and I believe we were encouraged to do this given our deployments to the sandbox.
 

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Here is a wonderful example of grace in a time of grief. I only hope I could be as generous as is the family of WO Vincent.
 

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These is sound advice regardless and I believe we were encouraged to do this given our deployments to the sandbox.

IMO it's running and hiding. Be proud of who we are, we're told. Wear your uniform proudly, we're told.

At the first sign of trouble? Oh run to the bunkers and hide. Don't wear your uniform to and from your work.

It does not sit well with me.
 

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IMO it's running and hiding. Be proud of who we are, we're told. Wear your uniform proudly, we're told.

At the first sign of trouble? Oh run to the bunkers and hide. Don't wear your uniform to and from your work.

It does not sit well with me.

feels like we are sticking our heads in the sand
 

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CDNAIRFORCE said:
http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/cold-lake-residents-work-together-to-clean-up-vandalized-mosque-rcmp-investigating-1.2069684

Massive amounts of people, includin military in uniform, showed up down there almost immediately either cleaning or dropping off paint, brushes, and coffee for those helping. A local glass company replaced the windows as well.

It was nice to see as you can't really order a pizza, get your hair cut, or return your empties without supporting a muslim-owned business. The chairman of this mosque has lived in CL for 30 years and as chairman of the Lakeland United Way has donated thousands of dollars to the MFRC and other functions here on the wing.

https://twitter.com/KikkiPlanet/status/525749796884475904
Thanks for sharing that.  A photo from home-town media:
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WCom and WCWO showed up as well.
Good on them!
 

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Kilo_302 said:
Pierre Poilievre is already bragging that he warned us about this a week ago on his FB page. I think we can say this is a government that is trying to make political hay of a tragic incident. Harper has a notoriously tight leash. If he didn't think it was appropriate for Pierre to be saying this stuff, he wouldn't be saying it. And again, directly referencing CSIS and our foreign policy in his response to this attack is at the very least insinuating a connection. There is no evidence of such a connection yet,

Can you please take your subtle anti-Harper crap elsewhere.  What makes you think you know more about goings-on than him?  Are you being briefed at the same level and by the same people he is?  Maybe the media isn't reporting everything that is known because they aren't privy to that info, so you don't see it in the news.

so this is irresponsible and manipulative.

Indeed.  And for the record I am referring to your attempts to make political hay from a tragic incident.
 

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Can you please take your subtle anti-Harper crap elsewhere.  What makes you think you know more about goings-on than him?  Are you being briefed at the same level and by the same people he is?  Maybe the media isn't reporting everything that is known because they aren't privy to that info, so you don't see it in the news.

Indeed.  And for the record I am referring to your attempts to make political hay from a tragic incident.


In fairness, EITS, he's not the only one making "political hay from a tragic incident;" I don't see any difference at all between what Kilo_302 and Pierre Poilievre are doing. (And I'm a Conservative Party member, in fact I'm a members of the so-called "Leaders Circle" of major financial donors.)

And Kilo_302's "anti-Harper crap" is not really subtle, is it? Plus, we must recognize that about half of our fellow Canadians, probably more than half, share his views to a greater or lesser extent.

One of the reasons we take the recent events (especially those in Ottawa) so seriously is that we sense that democracy, itself, government with the consent of the governed and the rule of law, is under attack. Even 99.99% of the most virulent Harper Haters don't wish to see him shot down in the House of Commons hallways - but I did see one such comment (from a person with a name and avatar that suggested a First Nations connection) on Twitter on the day of the event. I guess that Kilo_302 wants to see someone other than Prime Minister Harper in 24 Sussexd Drive late next year ~ that's a right for which millions of Canadians fought and 100,000+ died.

One of the great things about Army.ca is that Mike Bobbitt and the Mods encourage free, open, even spirited, but always respectful debate.
 

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You missed the more important part of my post, the "what makes you think you know more than him" part.
 

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http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/military-gets-new-social-media-policy-in-wake-of-attacks-1.2070490#ixzz3HAA5IXJq

Seen this new directive. The terrorist have already won.
 

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dogger1936 said:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/military-gets-new-social-media-policy-in-wake-of-attacks-1.2070490#ixzz3HAA5IXJq

Seen this new directive. The terrorist have already won.

Actually: NO.  That policy was in effect years ago, and for the most part not enforced or ignored.  It came about due to the fact that members, spouses of members, extended family and friends of members were posting PERSEC and OPSEC info on our troops.  "Johnny is coming home on the 21st, landing in Tuktoyaktuk at 1545 hrs.  See you there."  "Jane is working at the hospital in Kandahar, and her lovely accommodations are near the front gate.  She can have easy access to the bazaar from where she is staying." 
 

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IMO it's running and hiding. Be proud of who we are, we're told. Wear your uniform proudly, we're told.

At the first sign of trouble? Oh run to the bunkers and hide. Don't wear your uniform to and from your work.

It does not sit well with me.

It does not sit well with me either.

We have had two proud examples of the best in our society murdered in an attempt to strike fear into us.

We had one regular force member, a firefighter who had to give up firefighting because of a heart condition. So what happens?

He is run down and killed while escorting another soldier to help him navigate the shoals of government regulations,  murdered while serving others.

Thank you WO Vincent for your example of service.

And then there's Cpl Cirillo, a true citizen soldier, a reservist proud of his service and equally involved in his community.

Murdered, shot in a run by shooting while doing the honour guard at The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  We were robbed of the services of not a great man but two good men, examples of the best of us.

No I do not agree with the suggestion we adopt a low profile and avoid our uniforms.

What I would suggest is the CDS and our civilian leaders do, is consider, allowing on Tuesday, members to wear their uniforms and not only wear their uniforms but wear the uniform they are proudest of wearing, it could be for officers their mess kits and for NCM, their dress blues.  This would allow members to show how much they mourn our murdered comrades and how proud they are of the example of service those two individuals, Regular and Primary Reserves, have shown us.

You will notice I have avoided the use of the word terrorist.  The Nazis in WW2 considered my father a terrorist because of his Resistance activities and I refuse to allow the current spate of murders to sully my father's and other resistance fighters memories.

I am no longer a member of the Reserves but am still proud of my unit and the people I grew to know, respect and love
 

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Actually: NO.  That policy was in effect years ago, and for the most part not enforced or ignored.  It came about due to the fact that members, spouses of members, extended family and friends of members were posting PERSEC and OPSEC info on our troops.  "Johnny is coming home on the 21st, landing in Tuktoyaktuk at 1545 hrs.  See you there."  "Jane is working at the hospital in Kandahar, and her lovely accommodations are near the front gate.  She can have easy access to the bazaar from where she is staying."

Good. Thanks for thisI am out of the loop as per the CNAFORGENS etc nowadays. Glad to see this is just the media spinning recent events.
 
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