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Japan struck a nerve, so time for the standard PT
 

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These days t
China threatens immolation on anyone who dares disagree with them on any subject no matter how insignificant.
I have taken to referring to the Chinese Foreign Ministry as the Ministry of Outrage..because they are always outraged about something.
 

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CCP seems to have a great influence on youtube as well. Two videos posted by Colin and one posted by MilEME09 just last month are already taken down (page 202 of this forum).
 

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I wonder how long before the masses get fed up at being treated like cattle in the CCPs plans. This flooding situation in China is being made worse by Dam operators who refused to release water before the heavy rainfall leading to massive discharge during the rain causing heavy flooring and mass casualties.
 

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Not to mention some underling closed the tunnel to traffic and later was ordered to reopen it , leading to this. Been following this story for a few days now, they are desperately trying to cover it up. Look for some show trials tossing some people to the wolves if public anger continues to grow.
 

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Nothing to see here, just China threatening to nuke Japan for saying they would protect Taiwan
 
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Not to mention some underling closed the tunnel to traffic and later was ordered to reopen it , leading to this. Been following this story for a few days now, they are desperately trying to cover it up. Look for some show trials tossing some people to the wolves if public anger continues to grow.
Or the tigers or the firing squad
 

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Chinese racism against western diplomats.......quickly taken down, likely as the mainland realized the optics
 

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I see these ships all the time in Vancouver


THE ISSUE
Chinese companies are increasingly dominant across the maritime supply chain, aided by a complicated and opaque system of formal and informal state support that is unrivaled in size and scope.

Combined state support to Chinese firms in the shipping and shipbuilding industry totaled roughly $132 billion between 2010 and 2018, according to CSIS analysis. This includes financing from state banks ($127 billion) and direct subsidies ($5 billion). Owing to data limitations and the opacity of China’s political system, this conservative estimate does not include direct subsidies to unlisted firms, indirect subsidies, state-backed fundraising, preferential borrowing rates, and other nonmarket advantages from China’s state capitalist system.
 

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I don't know if anyone has already reported this on this site but I just came across the discussion in RealClearDefence yesterday.


The array of both nuclear and conventional missiles in the Chinese inventory has steadily expanded. In addition to two dozen or so DF-31 ICBMs, the Chinese have been adding the DF-41, a mobile system that is expected to field China’s first MIRVs (multiple independent reentry vehicles). This will substantially increase the number of warheads Beijing has aimed at American targets, while also making it harder for the US to target them.

Add to this the recent discovery of around 100 silos in China’s Gansu province, and another hundred silos in Xinjiang. China’s construction of some 250 missile silos would be consistent with the overall expansion of the PLARF, which includes increasing the number of MRBMs, IRBMs, and ICBMs. At the same time, it would mark at least an order of magnitude expansion of China’s intercontinental warheads, from perhaps two dozen to more than 250 (which would not include the mobile DF-41s). Should China decide to place MIRVs atop these various new missiles, the Chinese could begin to approach Russian and American warhead numbers (each is allowed to deploy 1,500 warheads).


Apparently STRATCOM is concerned.

“You’re not gonna find the definition of ‘strategic breakout’ in a doctrine or a manual — and I think it’s one of about four words in the Department of Defense that doesn’t have a definition buried in some joint pub somewhere — but it is significant and I don’t use the term lightly,” Adm. Charles Richard told an audience at the Space and Missile Defense Symposium. “Business as usual will not work.”


But?

expansion of China’s intercontinental warheads, from perhaps two dozen to more than 250

with speculation of achieving 1500 or more? From an unknown, but speculative base of 24?


We don't know how many they have. We don't know if they work. We don't know if they have the technology. We don't know if they have the manufacturing capability.

We do know that their SSNs and SSBNs are not a technology that they have pursued and apparently are relatively easy to track.

We do know that they have invested in mobile launchers.

We do know that they have been talking up their conventional ballistic missile, and hypersonic, capabilities.

We do know that they have demonstrated a willingness and an ability to build on a massive scale - empty cities, empty highways, pandemic hospitals - with scant attention to quality.

We do know that they have been paying attention to America's shift to conventional Precision Guidance Munitions, the USN/USMC/US Army missile strategy for the South China Seas.

We do know that they are as familiar with the swarm technologies as the US.



I suspect...

That it is less likely that China is going to increase its number of warheads threatening the US from 24 to 1500 while it is more likely that China is seeking to create/maintain uncertainty against a swarm of conventional US PGMs by creating more targets in which those 24 warheads could be located.

The US, with its existing strike capabilities, and even with its developing ones, could not be sure that it could prevent all of those 24 warheads reaching the US. What would be the political effects in the US of just one of those leaking through and taking out Seattle or Indianapolis? It is likely that the government of the day would be replaced never to be re-elected. That is enough of a threat to keep the US from acting if, for example, China decided to cross the Taiwan Straits. Or China decided to "nationalize" its rare earth mines in Africa.


Chinese "Battleship"?
 

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CHN releasing more details on the Spavor/Kovrig case via state media (links to archived version of article - text also attached in case link doesn't work)
Exclusive: Canadian Spavor took photos, videos of Chinese military equipment, sent them to Kovrig and outside China, source said
Fan Lingzhi and Cao Siqi, Global Times
Published: Sep 01, 2021 08:16 PM


Canadian citizen Michael Spavor, who was sentenced in August to 11 years in prison for espionage and illegal provision of China's state secrets to foreign entities, was found to have taken photos and videos of Chinese military equipment on multiple occasions and illegally provided some of those photos to people outside China, a source close to the matter told the Global Times on Wednesday.

Spavor was convicted of spying on China's national secrets and was ordered deported from China, a court in Dandong, Northeast China's Liaoning Province, announced on August 11. Spavor was also ordered to have his personal property of 50,000 yuan ($7,715) confiscated.

The source revealed that during his stay in China, Spavor took photos and videos of Chinese military equipment on multiple occasions and illegally provided some of those photos to people outside China.

The photos and videos have been identified as second-tier state secrets. Spavor was a key informant of another Canadian defendant, Michael Kovrig, and provided him with information over a long period, the source said.

A court in Beijing opened the trial of former Canadian diplomat Kovrig over espionage charges on March 22. The verdict was said to be announced at a chosen time in accordance with the law.

The source said between 2017 and 2018, Kovrig entered China under the guise of a businessman and false pretext of commerce. In Beijing, Shanghai, Jilin and other places, through his associates, Kovrig gathered a large amount of undisclosed information related to China's national security, on which he wrote analytical reports. The information Kovrig gathered included second-tier state secrets and intelligence.

According to the source, Kovrig and Spavor have been in good health since being taken into custody. The detention centers pay close attention to their physical condition and carry out physical examinations periodically.

The relevant authorities have handed over letters and books to them, and arranged consular visits by Canadian Embassy officials in accordance with laws and regulations, including virtual visits during the COVID-19 pandemic.

"Their legitimate rights, including right of correspondence and consular visits, are guaranteed. In a humanitarian spirit and on a lawful basis, the relevant authorities take good care of their dietary and exercise needs. Both of them have had phone calls with their overseas family members," the source said.

As August 26 marked the 1,000th day since Meng Wanzhou, a senior executive of Huawei, was detained in Canada, Chinese Ambassador to Canada Cong Peiwu made a phone call with Meng to express his sympathy and denounce the misdeeds of the Canadian government. The ambassador urged Canada to take the collective public opinion of over 1.4 billion Chinese people seriously in demanding the immediate release of Meng.

However, some Canadian media and politicians continue to ignore the collective voice of the Chinese citizens. Nevertheless, they have been quick to connect the incident of Meng with the recent judgments in China of Spavor and Robert Schellenberg, another Canadian citizen who was sentenced to death for drug trafficking in August.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry and embassies have lashed out at Canada for ganging up with other countries over the cases of Spavor and Schellenberg, and urged these countries to respect the rule of law in China and stop politicizing judicial cases.
More from MSM here, here & here.
 

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So China wants Canada to listen to the “collective voices of 1.4 billion Chinese citizens” and release Meng?

China should listen then to the “collective voices of 37 million Canadians, and release Spavor & Kovrig.”

True, the numbers aren’t equal. But the gestures are. Send these two men home, we will send her home. Boom, done, let’s move on.


- Did I understand correctly that China announced the deportation of Spavor? If so that is great news!

- To be fair, having Meng in custody for 1000 days while awaiting her court proceedings to eventually draw to a close isn’t really a shining example of an efficient system…



I wish everybody would just be brutally honest with each other, and perhaps that is the case behind the scenes.

“We arrested Meng on a US warrant, which only existed as a result of the trade war between the US and China at the time. Despite other companies being given a slap on the wrist and bad PR, Meng is the only executive of a large international firm arrested and kept in custody since her arrest.

Meng probably wouldn’t have been arrested otherwise.

It’s blatantly obvious you arrested these two Canadian citizens shortly after Meng was arrested as leverage to have her release.

Not a single person detained in this case should have been. We will release Meng on the condition you will release Mr. Spavor and Mr. Kovrig…”


Simple agreement and we all move on. Yes or no? China can even take credit for the suggestion and the ‘successful negotiations with the puppet Canadians.’
 

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So China wants Canada to listen to the “collective voices of 1.4 billion Chinese citizens” and release Meng?

China should listen then to the “collective voices of 37 million Canadians, and release Spavor & Kovrig.”

True, the numbers aren’t equal. But the gestures are. Send these two men home, we will send her home. Boom, done, let’s move on.


- Did I understand correctly that China announced the deportation of Spavor? If so that is great news!

- To be fair, having Meng in custody for 1000 days while awaiting her court proceedings to eventually draw to a close isn’t really a shining example of an efficient system…



I wish everybody would just be brutally honest with each other, and perhaps that is the case behind the scenes.

“We arrested Meng on a US warrant, which only existed as a result of the trade war between the US and China at the time. Despite other companies being given a slap on the wrist and bad PR, Meng is the only executive of a large international firm arrested and kept in custody since her arrest.

Meng probably wouldn’t have been arrested otherwise.

It’s blatantly obvious you arrested these two Canadian citizens shortly after Meng was arrested as leverage to have her release.

Not a single person detained in this case should have been. We will release Meng on the condition you will release Mr. Spavor and Mr. Kovrig…”


Simple agreement and we all move on. Yes or no? China can even take credit for the suggestion and the ‘successful negotiations with the puppet Canadians.’

I suppose I'd be more sympathetic to Ms. Meng's plight if there was any comparison to her 'custody' and that of the two Michaels. And, while 1000 days obviously isn't ideal, much of the process has involved her counsel being given every opportunity to present a defence (considering that this a hearing of the process, not the criminal allegations), as opposed to a closed trial and verdict before lunch without independent counsel.
 

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On August 27, China’s Maritime Safety Administration said in a statement that five categories of foreign vessels, namely submersibles, nuclear-powered vessels, ships carrying radioactive materials, ships carrying bulk oil, chemicals, liquefied gas or other toxic substances, as well as vessels that may endanger China’s maritime traffic safety, fall under the law.


Foreign vessels will be required to provide information including their ship names and numbers, recent locations, satellite telephone numbers and dangerous goods, according to the statement.

If their automatic identification systems do not work properly, they will need to report to China’s maritime authorities about their locations and speeds every two hours until they leave the country’s territorial waters, the statement said.

At face value, these are not necessarily problematic provisions – unless the definition of “Chinese territorial waters” is interpreted to include nearly all of the South China Sea, as claimed in its wide-reaching and hotly contested nine-dash line.

The new rules were first made public on April 29 this year after the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress amended the Maritime Traffic Safety Law (MTSL), which was established in September 1983.

A full English version of the revised law, translated by Peking University Law School, can be seen on the website of Steamship Mutual, a mutual insurance association in the maritime space that provides risk pooling, information and representation.
 

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Major Chinese real-estate conglomerate Evergrande facing looming Bankruptcy as it admits it cannot pay back investors of its wealth management products. The resulting ripple to the Chinese economy if a company valued at over 300 billion were to go bankrupt would be enormous.


 
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