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IST Joeschmo said:So, from my experience at two completely different units (1 Sigs, CFJSR) and two very different operations (OP ATHENA, OP IMPACT) never mind the various international ex's and other things I've done, I've barely seen CST's do a whole lot of programming switches and routers. Or touching servers... Or doing anything in an IST way for that matter. In 2008, we had a 'Connectivity' tech who was a QL5 Qualified LCIS in 1 Sigs who did actually do a lot of programming. One. Guy. Then he was posted in end of 2008 I believe. Since then, there were no LCIS in C Tp, it was all "Sig Ops" manning all the routers, switches, servers, you name it. We deployed to OP ATHENA 2011... Again, mid-switch from Sig Op to ACISS-IST. Once again, all Sig Ops running the networks and servers.
Fast forward 2013 I'm posted to CFJSR... Not a single LCIS tech giving a f$ck except one exceptional MCpl I deployed to Cyprus with who really knew his networking. One. Guy. Again... Fast forward a little more to the present OP IMPACT... We have a few (2-3) ACISS-CST whom work here... Doing very very traditional LCIS roles. Fixing, tagging and bagging NS kit, working a national rear-link sat and... Well... Doing that stuff! They do tinker a little with some networking. Who is running the deployed networks and servers? ACISS-IST.
All the front line field units I've dealt with from 2008-now have all been guys whom were Sig Ops at the time or are now ACISS-IST running networks and serves. I think maybe the time period before me LCIS used to do more of our type of job.
Also just finished the last (literally) serial of Data Comms before I came here. 1/2 the class of 12 was ATIS & ACISS-CST, other half was ACISS-IST. They course staff advised us this was the very very last serial and wasn't even supposed to run, as all the relevant portions of Data Comms have been pushed to ACISS-IST 1.1 and ATIS QL5.
Point being: ACISS-CST aren't supposed to be doing networking anymore. Not unless specifically required by their individual position. I think over the past couple years someone wised up and realized they were sleeping too long in the back of the LCIS shop while everyone watched satellite TV and now they noticed they gave away too much of their jobs. Our own ACISS-CST in CFJSR joke that they have become the "GD Tp" because they don't have anything better to do usually.
I don't know what people's experience has been in places like CFNOC, ANOC / other positions in Ottawa but I know quite a few ACISS-IST's that are manning national service desks, critical networks and nobody knows where CST's are or what they do anymore.
We also now (brand new) have a 4th wiseman. CFJSR has made a position for a WO ACISS-IST to be the fabled 4th wiseman! So, FOS, CCO and LCF + ... I don't know what the new acronym is... IST guy! From MY limited perspective it appears that ACISS-CST has been almost obsoleted, more so than a lot of people thought ACISS-Core even would be. They do a whole lot of setting up camp and tearing it down god-bless, but they're 1/2 obsolete but I think radios will always be around so they have a saving grace.
Lastly, ACISS-ISTs also now get a 'tech stamp' to inspect information systems related equipment and tag it as they feel appropriate. Big changes folks! Massive... If I have time (Hahaha!) I'll try and dig up the job specification from DIN and paste it here. It literally breaks down what each sub-occ is supposed to do.
I want to meet these LCIS guys who are doing IST jobs! We have some that switched from legacy LCIS- ACISS-IST!
There are places and positions where ACISS CST guys do full-time IS work. I know some in Ottawa, Halifax, CFSCE and even in Petawawa...
That said, a lot of what you said is true, though I think it heavily depends on the unit you are talking about. I was one of the CST guys who did give a f*** about IS work. I became an LCIS tech because I wanted to do IS work. I've done many years of radio repairs before the military and wanted something more as I am a computer / IS guy. I didn't join as LCIS just to only work on green kit. However, the units I have worked at do no IS work outside of a LES and E-lan. (Even our own IST did mostly setup of desktops and IS stores,etc. Not his fault. That's the only work he had available to him) That being said, the places I worked at, we were always VERY busy doing OUR job.
I think you would see more people go IST if ACISS could make up its mind about what its going to be, and what each sub-occs job ACTUALLY is. IST is starved for people right now, and so is CST. So even the CSTs who want to go IST probably won't have that option. People don't want to change sub-occs without some accurate information on what their roles will be (as well as a final answer on spec pay).... and given how the last 4 years have played out, I don't think a lot of people will. If IST guys are not happy at the idea of ACISS CST doing networking, imagine how those who joined as LCIS feel with the changes forced upon them with ACISS.... and you wonder why no one wants to go CST and why so many legacy LCIS are jumping ship.
I've since moved on to ATIS, and hope for the best. I'm sure, that depending on my unit I may still run into similar issues with IS type work (shared services getting the IS work while ATIS techs only working with deployable kit), but all the LCIS / ACISS CSTs that I personally know that have gone ATIS are very happy with their decision.
I truly do hope ACISS can work itself out. There are a lot of switched on skilled people in the trade...they just need the right place in the trade to shine.