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All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Remius

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Jarnhamar said:
Why is Italy being hit so hard?

Older population.  And northern Italy is very polluted crating plenty of underlying conditions.
 

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Jarnhamar said:
Why is Italy being hit so hard?

Also because in the western world they took the first big hit. The rest of us have been able to watch what's happening there and avail ourselves of the very fast analysis and research being done. They didn't have that opportunity.
 

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"...young Italians tend to interact a lot with their elders."

That is true, and a wonderful thing. Especially when the old people get sick. Unfortunately, in this case, the consequences have been dire.
 

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Russia deploying coronavirus disinformation to sow panic in West, EU document says


Russian media have deployed a “significant disinformation campaign” against the West to worsen the impact of the coronavirus, generate panic and sow distrust, according to a European Union document seen by Reuters.

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FILE PHOTO: Fake blood is seen in test tubes labelled with the coronavirus (COVID-19) in this illustration taken March 17, 2020. REUTERS/Dado Ruvic/Illustration


The Kremlin denied the allegations on Wednesday, saying they were unfounded and lacked common sense.

The EU document said the Russian campaign, pushing fake news online in English, Spanish, Italian, German and French, uses contradictory, confusing and malicious reports to make it harder for the EU to communicate its response to the pandemic.

“A significant disinformation campaign by Russian state media and pro-Kremlin outlets regarding COVID-19 is ongoing,” said the nine-page internal document, dated March 16, using the name of the disease that can be caused by the coronavirus.

“The overarching aim of Kremlin disinformation is to aggravate the public health crisis in Western countries...in line with the Kremlin’s broader strategy of attempting to subvert European societies,” the document produced by the EU’s foreign policy arm, the European External Action Service, said.

An EU database has recorded almost 80 cases of disinformation about coronavirus since Jan. 22, it said, noting Russian efforts to amplify Iranian accusations online, cited without evidence, that coronavirus was a U.S. biological weapon.

Most scientists believe the disease originated in bats in China before passing to humans.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov pointed to what he said was the lack in the EU document of a specific example or link to a specific media outlet.

“We’re talking again about some unfounded allegations which in the current situation are probably the result of an anti-Russian obsession,” said Peskov.

The EU document cited examples from Lithuania to Ukraine, including false claims that a U.S. soldier deployed to Lithuania was infected and hospitalized. It said that on social media, Russian state-funded, Spanish-language RT Spanish was the 12th most popular news source on coronavirus between January and mid-March, based on the amount of news shared on social media.

The EEAS declined to comment directly on the report.

The European Commission said it was in contact with Google (GOOGL.O), Facebook (FB.O), Twitter (TWTR.N) and Microsoft (MSFT.O). An EU spokesman accused Moscow of “playing with people’s lives” and appealed to EU citizens to “be very careful” and only use news sources they trust.


“HUMAN CREATION”

The EU and NATO have previously accused Russia of covert action, including disinformation, to try to destabilize the West by exploiting divisions in society.

Russia denies any such tactics and President Vladimir Putin has accused foreign foes of targeting Russia by spreading fake news about coronavirus to whip up panic.

Russian media in Europe have not been successful in reaching the broader public, but provide a platform for anti-EU populists and polarize debate, analysis by EU and non-governmental groups has shown.

The EEAS report cited riots at the end of February in Ukraine, a former Soviet republic now seeking to join the EU and NATO, as an example of the consequences of such disinformation.

It said a fake letter purporting to be from the Ukrainian health ministry falsely stated here were five coronavirus cases in the country. Ukrainian authorities say the letter was created outside Ukraine, the EU report said.

“Pro-Kremlin disinformation messages advance a narrative that coronavirus is a human creation, weaponized by the West,” said the report, first cited by the Financial Times.

It quoted fake news created by Russia in Italy - which is suffering the world’s second most deadly outbreak of coronavirus - alleging that the 27-nation EU was unable to effectively deal with the pandemic, despite a series of collective measures taken by governments in recent days.

The EEAS has also shared information with Slovakia over the spread of fake news accusing the country’s prime minister, Peter Pellegrini, of being infected with the virus and saying he may have passed on the infection to others at recent summits.

EU leaders have been conferring by videoconferences since early March.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-disinformation/russia-deploying-coronavirus-disinformation-to-sow-panic-in-west-eu-document-says-idUSKBN21518F
 

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This is not surprising to me at all actually...

On another note, here is a good overview about COVID19 from ZDoggMD - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35rA34wv_A

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I wonder if we'll see the reserves ordered into uniform if things go even more pear shaped.

And speaking of being in uniform I wonder if VRs and other types of releases will be put on hold.
 
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stellarpanther said:
I'm assuming people have seen the new order released today from the CDS stating amongst other things that mbr's are restricted from travelling more than 250km. There is also something in there about confining yourself to your home.  It also states that there will be no leave accumulation or cash out except on a case by case basis.  How does telling a mbr to stay in their home and being on annual leave go together?  That is not the intent of annual leave and those who had approved leave passes during this time are basically having their leave taken away from them.
This is news to me. Most people are at home with DVPNI access. Link or summary please.
 

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Yes I’d also like to see the link. All I’ve heard were rumours. 90% of the CAF is working from home on their cell or civie emails. It’s challenging for sure!
 

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Murray Brewster has a pretty good summary: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vance-covid-19-coronavirus-canadian-forces-soldiers-1.5500774
 

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Jarnhamar said:
I wonder if we'll see the reserves ordered into uniform if things go even more pear shaped.

When is the last time that happened? World War 2?



 

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mariomike said:
When is the last time that happened? World War 2?

This would need to go really pear shaped, and involve the emergency act. At this stage I see no indication of that yet.
 

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mariomike said:
When is the last time that happened? World War 2?

Nope. Reservists/ militiamen weren't 'ordered' to do anything like that, AFAIK.

Conscripts were, of course, but they then had to volunteer for overseas service, which meant the majority stayed in Canada as the infamous 'Zombies'.

(And this is the point where someone jumps in and corrects me :) ).
 

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NotSoWiseKingSolomon said:
This is news to me. Most people are at home with DVPNI access. Link or summary please.

Sum-up of orders from my CoC. I haven’t seen the original release yet. I’m in Ontario. I have friends posted to various units in other provinces who’ve been given the same orders.

I also received a personal call from my Sgt reiterating the usual and to limit social interaction as much as possible. Nothing specific has been mentioned regarding leave or anything though beyond what was ordered earlier.
 

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Seems prudent. Stay off busses and trains if travelling over 250k. You could get stranded and if you get called in you are only a few hours away.

Not sure why people would freak out over this.
 
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Jarnhamar said:
I wonder if we'll see the reserves ordered into uniform if things go even more pear shaped.

And speaking of being in uniform I wonder if VRs and other types of releases will be put on hold.

What would the reserve mbr's really do?  The big thing needed will be medical related unless there is mass rioting or something which so far I haven't seen even in Europe.
 

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stellarpanther said:
I'm assuming people have seen the new order released today from the CDS stating amongst other things that mbr's are restricted from travelling more than 250km. There is also something in there about confining yourself to your home. It also states that there will be no leave accumulation or cash out except on a case by case basis.  How does telling a mbr to stay in their home and being on annual leave go together?  That is not the intent of annual leave and those who had approved leave passes during this time are basically having their leave taken away from them.

If you are referring to FragO 002 there is no such statement in it as I have highlighted above.
It directs all Reg F, Cl B/C pers based in Canada to return from international travel as expeditiously as possible, and to coord, with their units, 14 days of self-isolation.
HHT's are cancelled for three weeks
Cl A reservists are "strongly encouraged" to abstain from personal travel outside of Canada
The 250 km restriction can be waived where it is deemed to be mission essential, necessary for medical or compassionate reasons, or warranted due to extreme hardship
 

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stellarpanther said:
What would the reserve mbr's really do?  The big thing needed will be medical related unless there is mass rioting or something which so far I haven't seen even in Europe.

If and a big if we get into a shutter in place they could be used to enforce that.
 

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Remius said:
Seems prudent. Stay off busses and trains if travelling over 250k. You could get stranded and if you get called in you are only a few hours away.

Not sure why people would freak out over this.

Yes, reasonable for me. However, I’m in a very populated area with everything I need at all times in close proximity. I have no reason to need to travel further. A couple of bases come to mind that are way out of the way from major cities.
 
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