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.50 on CF helicopters

Good2Golf

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He also noted the importance of the .50Cal HMG. The TB would not think much of 5.56mm fire. When the C6/7.62mm MG came out, they would concentrate on the gunner's location. When the .50 came out, they would bug off. Evidentally, I am told that they really do not like the .50 IRT its range, stopping power, and sound.

Interestingly, that was also why Aviation went with .50 (M3M/GAU-21, high-rate, ~1200 rd/min) in addition to the wonderful 7.62mm M134D.  Not so much for range beyond GPMG ranges (since it's still crew-served), but for the weight of fire and the type of munitions the .50 can throw down-range.  :nod:

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Good2Golf said:
Interestingly, that was also why Aviation went with .50 (M3M/GAU-21, high-rate, ~1200 rd/min) in addition to the wonderful 7.62mm M134D.  Not so much for range beyond GPMG ranges (since it's still crew-served), but for the weight of fire and the type of munitions the .50 can throw down-range.  :nod:

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Not to mention the distinctive sound of a large calibre weapon throwing hot lead on to the bad guys.
 

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Jim Seggie said:
Not to mention the distinctive sound of a large calibre weapon throwing hot lead on to the bad guys.

Mr. Seggie, search YouTube for:  GAU-21 hammering it home

The headspace was nicely adjusted on this one.  The GAU-21/A is a USN/USMC variant of the FN M3M hi-speed .50 cal.  The video doesn't do the sound justice, it sounds more like a C9 on steroids, but up close it sounds more like a small A-10 -- 20 rounds per second!

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Good2Golf said:
Mr. Seggie, search YouTube for:  GAU-21 hammering it home

The headspace was nicely adjusted on this one.  The GAU-21/A is a USN/USMC variant of the FN M3M hi-speed .50 cal.  The video doesn't do the sound justice, it sounds more like a C9 on steroids, but up close it sounds more like a small A-10 -- 20 rounds per second!

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One question: Where can we get a bunch of these to trial them?
 

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Done, and done.  :nod: 

They hit the flight line on Griffons in AFG in late-2010....just didn't have any videos of it in action on our machines.


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Can you put in a good word for us Infantry guys.....we could use these babies on the ground.
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Done, and done.  :nod: 

They hit the flight line on Griffons in AFG in late-2010....just didn't have any videos of it in action on our machines.


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Good2Golf said:
Mr. Seggie, search YouTube for:  GAU-21 hammering it home

The headspace was nicely adjusted on this one.  The GAU-21/A is a USN/USMC variant of the FN M3M hi-speed .50 cal.  The video doesn't do the sound justice, it sounds more like a C9 on steroids, but up close it sounds more like a small A-10 -- 20 rounds per second!

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G2G

It appears there are a couple all worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2SIbXksH_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I99_fXwGPQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfKKJZ2yGrE


BTWare we getting close to thread split here, with the GAU-21 and the DM trading their own threads?
 

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Jim Seggie said:
Wow......wow....
do we have a "Sgt Major drooling" smiley?

How about we put a hat on this guy?  :cam:
 

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Has anyone seen the GAU-19 3 barrel .50 Gatling gun?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA&feature=related
 

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PJGary said:
Has anyone seen the GAU-19 3 barrel .50 Gatling gun?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA&feature=related

Yes, I've physically seen it fired at GDLS' Ethan Allen ranges in Vermont.  Impressive.  At low-rate (1000), it's actually not as fast as the GAU-21/A, but at high rate (2000) it sounds like an A-10.  Pretty awesome weapon for a crew served system.

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PJGary said:
Has anyone seen the GAU-19 3 barrel .50 Gatling gun?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA&feature=related

Ummmmmm....uh......Can I have a dozen please? ;D
 

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I just want to be a door gunner...

I don't care about promotions, spec pay, LDA, PLD...I just want to be a door gunner!!!

:bowdown: :pullhair:
 

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Spectrum said:
I just want to be a door gunner...

I don't care about promotions, spec pay, LDA, PLD...I just want to be a door gunner!!!

:bowdown: :pullhair:

A while back I had the privilege of sitting in the gunner's seat for a couple hours worth of flight time. Ever since then I have convinced myself that I found my new purpose in life  ;) It also doesn't help that being a door gunner has that deadly illusion that "No really, it could really happen!" as it seems like it's a right place right time kind of gig... I'd do it for free!  ;D
 

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Anyone know if this specialist position is an actual MOSID or are they just temporarily filling the positions when needed?  If it becomes a line position at a RCAF unit, I imagine the trade will become blue vice green.
 

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Jim Seggie said:
Can you put in a good word for us Infantry guys.....we could use these babies on the ground.


Ugh... Can you carry it then? I don't really want to go bush-bashing with that bad boy slung on my back!
 

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Zoomie said:
Anyone know if this specialist position is an actual MOSID or are they just temporarily filling the positions when needed?  If it becomes a line position at a RCAF unit, I imagine the trade will become blue vice green.

I've spoke to several guys who have all said it's an Armoured position. Ostensibly, it's so that there's a liason in air to provide info on vehicle movements from the sky.

Not 100% sure of its veracity but it sounds plausible!
 
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