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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2004, 20:27:05 »
Lets not forget the one that tends the horses in the basement. I was arround when the renos happened and we lost the "stables". Man was he active for about a year. I think that this was about 92-93.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2004, 02:17:12 »
Back in the dark ages when I was a junior rank in the that same loud mess, a certain newly minted just   back from the Middle East   M/Cpl   sat as newbies down and explained that there was a ghost piper that lived and sometimes played up in the attic. Said M/Cpl also told us he'd seen/heard? the ghost one evening late in the mess when he was wandering around in the stairwells past the far end of the mess where the doors lead to the ladies washroom (memory is a bit fuzzy, we're talking 1977 here) where the stairwell leads down to the Sgt's and Officer's mess. I guess he was orderly Cpl that night, otherwise I can't see any reason to be prowling around in there.

When I was in the Seaforth Armouries attempting to sign up last year, my wife (at that time fiancé) and I went to the washroom.  My wife came out in a panic and refused to talk to me about it.  I asked if anyone (thinking an impolite young private) had said anything to her.  She said no one was in the washroom.

We somehow got on the subject of hauntings (my wife, my mother-in-law, and myself have all felt things at various locations) and my wife told me that in or near the ladies' washroom at the Seaforth Armoury she SAW a woman in 1930s or 1940s dress.  She was just standing, do nothing else -waiting perhaps for her husband?

BTW, my wife hates being right.  She had never heard about hauntings in the Seaforth Armoury, and she tried to dismiss it.  Thanks for ruining her night!  :D  She says she won't dismiss the piper, but she saw a ghost - a woman - near the ladies' washroom.

She has also felt something at the Beatty Street (BC Regiment) Armoury, especially in the old shooting gallery (now locker/storage room) and near that small, narrow passage leading from one side of the armoury to the other.
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2004, 02:32:33 »
Danjanou   you are right about the Ghost Piper, but it is referred to as the "Phantom Piper'.   I sware I have had that feeling of not being alone late in the mess before.   Same feeling I had when in the Comox building at St. Pauls hospital.   There are 2 currently serving members that have seen the Phantom Piper.   The feeling they described was that the Piper was there to watch over them, not to push them out.

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Odd that you should mention this.   My Pulmonary Function Test and Methacholine Challenge were both at St. Paul's.   I'm fairly certain I was not in the Comox building as I was on the other side (Davie St. side) of the building.   Both my wife and I felt something, especially when we got lost and headed closer to the centre building (which we came in through).   Despite this, throughout the whole hospital I felt an overwhelming feeling of...dread...that's the only way I can put it.   The feeling of something wrong; of not being alone.   I hardly every feel anything, and one of the few places I've ever felt anything is St. Paul's.   And that is also the strongest feeling I've ever got.   That whole hospital has freaked me out ever since I saw it.

Hospitals in general creep me out...but not like this...never like this!
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2004, 07:47:39 »
Well looks like facts were not checked - if you read the story which ran last year in the Courier http://www.rense.com/general43/spirits.htm you can see the details about the history of the Island - among those said to be under the Jr. Ranks floor is the brother of Gassy Jack (as in Gas Town) - as one of those who has heard things in building 1 which cannot be explained all I can tell you is I finished what I had to do and left fast (99% of all reports are from building 1 which is the red brick main building and not building 3 where the Jr. Ranks mess is)... I still end up working late in the ship's office but have not heard anything in years...  For any military members in the lower mainland, I'll be trying to have another halloween party this year - if you are interested send a list of names to the unit via fax 604-225-2546 and I'll make sure we get invites out.

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Spr Earl: Yeah, it's referred to as "Dead Man's Island" and rumors of it being an old graveyard, but none of that was true. However, I know several sailors who have pulled late shifts out there who all swear they heard/saw something spooky... I'm telling ya, they could make it a big tourist location for the ghost hunters and make enough money to cover their budget deficit! ;)

Danjanou: I've never heard anything about a ghost piper upstairs. Maybe it's because the Junior Ranks are up there and we're too loud. What's the story?

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2004, 00:21:02 »


When I was in the Seaforth Armouries attempting to sign up last year, my wife (at that time fiancé) and I went to the washroom.   My wife came out in a panic and refused to talk to me about it.   I asked if anyone (thinking an impolite young private) had said anything to her.   She said no one was in the washroom.

We somehow got on the subject of hauntings (my wife, my mother-in-law, and myself have all felt things at various locations) and my wife told me that in or near the ladies' washroom at the Seaforth Armoury she SAW a woman in 1930s or 1940s dress.   She was just standing, do nothing else -waiting perhaps for her husband?

BTW, my wife hates being right.   She had never heard about hauntings in the Seaforth Armoury, and she tried to dismiss it.   Thanks for ruining her night!   :D   She says she won't dismiss the piper, but she saw a ghost - a woman - near the ladies' washroom.


Well, that's great in theory....except that only turned into a women's washroom very recently.  ;-)

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2004, 05:24:07 »
Some of these stories are pretty neat.

There is a TV show called 'Creepy Canada' that features Ghost stories from around the country. They come to where ever and film on location with some cheap special effects, but some of the stories are nice.

http://www.creepycanada.com

Maybe some of you could write your stories in, to these people.  There seems to be enough material here that they would be able to make a show or two on Army ghosts.

 
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2004, 11:20:04 »
I think she saw the woman as she was in the hall near the washroom.   Any idea what was there before?   I just remember coming out and seeing my wife looking quite upset.

I should add: my wife mentioned she only saw the woman near the washroom, not that the woman was associated with the washroom.
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2004, 07:41:58 »
The armoury in Windsor is haunted.  There are a couple of stories who they are(were).  One was a CSM from the Essex Scottish who was too old to go overseas and hung himself in the officer's mess tower room.  Another is a live in caretaker who did himself in.  Spoke with  few people who personally experienced spooky happenings.  I, myself, experienced something very weird one night.
I wonder if the ghost(s) will move with us when we officially occupy the new armoury.

If they do, they'll have interesting neighbours.  MacKenzie Hall down the road has a few ghosts in it.  It used to be the place of execution for Sandwich. In the Hall, there is a set of irons that were taken off a skeleton unearthed near the foot of Prince Road.  Seems that the old county sheriff, William Hans, used to secretly bury the executed in unmarked graved outside of town.  As well, many of the old buildings in Old Sandwich Town (around the Sandwich and Mill Street area) are haunted.
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2004, 13:30:12 »
Minto Armouries in Winnipeg supposedly has a ghost. Rumour / legend has it that a troop shot himself in the head prior to being sent overseas for one fo the World Wars (WWI / WWII, I can't remember which), and his ghost walks the halls.

I thought I was a load of BS until I was Duty O one night about 1 1/2 years ago. Minto is one of the larger armouries in Canada, and the subterranean level is quite large. After I dismissed the Duty NCO & Cpl I thought I heard a noise in the basement before arming the alarm system. I wandered down stairs, turned on the lights, and wandered down the hallway to the rear ramp door to take a look. I turned off one set of lights, and went around the corner to check the doors on the old indoor range rooms. When I came back around the corner, all the lights were back on again. Now, normally this wouldn't phase me, but the light switches are about 200 feet apart, and you definitely can hear people when they are moving around in the corridor during work hours. I know I was the only person in the building, heard no sounds, and both sets of lights were on when I came back around the corner. I mentioned this to one of the older members of the armouries a few weeks later, and they mentioned the legend of the ghost. Walking down there late at night still gives me the creeps.

There is also another legend that one of the last public hangings in the west happened outside of the armouries around 1913 / 1914, but I think that is pure BS. Never been able to find a record of that.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2004, 13:51:52 »
Some of these stories are pretty neat.

There is a TV show called 'Creepy Canada' that features Ghost stories from around the country. They come to where ever and film on location with some cheap special effects, but some of the stories are nice.

http://www.creepycanada.com

Maybe some of you could write your stories in, to these people.   There seems to be enough material here that they would be able to make a show or two on Army ghosts.

 
i watch this show all the time, there has been some army ghost stories but they have all been like war of 1812 back in the day of the red coats. it would be nice to see some closer to modern day ghost stories on there.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2004, 16:31:41 »
CM There has been a ladies room there since the 1970's.

Mind I always wondered what that rabbits warren of small rooms was used before for. There's not a lot of room there IIRC betweentthe back door to the Jr Ranks and the staircase that goes down to the floor below and the Sgts Mess (why can I remember the layout of a building that I haven't been in in almost a quarter of a century btw).

I'm not sure but I think I remember some past uses were Sigs Pl rooms and or barracks for those staying over on weekends. Storage seems to be most likely, but one never knows what they were originally used for back in the 1930-40s.

A woman in period costume eh BDtyre. I wonder if perhaps she was visiting the local Seaforth ghosts. The Jr Ranks was always a welcoming place IIRC especially for young ladies. ;D
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2004, 19:17:38 »
Danjanou

The creepiest thing about the stair between the Sgts and Jr Mess are the silhouettes painted on the walls.  A retired Jack painted those before he left back in the 90's and if you walk up the stairs in the dark, they follow you up the stairs.  However, when you are stumbling out of the mess at night, it looks like they are giving you the "Present Arms" on your way out.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2004, 16:51:02 »
Sorry never saw them. Remember I left the unit in 1980.
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2004, 18:20:25 »
 I would like to clarify the matter of the "Seaforth" ghost a little. It is definitely a piper as 'it' seemed to present itself quite regularly to bandsmen during my time around the armouries (91-95). As a Band cadet, I encountered several experiences particularily on the stairs to the top floor leading from the officers mess. The most prominent sensation encountered by myself was that of footsteps, although no one else would be around.

 I would also like to note that I was present as a server for the expiration of the fellow in the Sergeant's mess.  As a regular to the mess, He was afforded much privacy and his condition wasn't noticed until Dinner seating began. His passing was very peaceful as it was estimated that he had been gone for quite some time prior to our discovery. He looked comfortable, seated in the stuffed armchair that overlooked the windows. It was quite the scene when word started to spread about his accident. We had to shut the mess and started Dinner seating earlier than anticipated in order to bring in the ambulance without undue notice. An announcement was subsequently made of his passing by the mess officer and a toast was made in his honour.

 My understanding at the time, was that the Gentleman was in seniors housing and as such many felt that he had passed in his true home.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2004, 18:26:16 »
What is now the ladies washroom used to be the shower and locker room for the men.  You couldn't access the showers through the mens washroom, you had to go through what is now the ladies washroom.  They walled it up, and opened up the wall on the other side.  The only ladies washroom that used to exist in the building was the washroom on the catwalk overlooking the lower gym.
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2004, 17:54:48 »
Deadman's Pub, the Jr. Ranks Mess onboard HMCS DISCOVERY will be hosting our 2004 Waking up the Dead  :skull: party on Saturday 30 Oct 04 - members of lower mainland BC units may purchase tickets by contacting the PMC at DISCOVERY - check out the information on our site http://www.my-dy.com/dmp/halloween-2004d.pdf units which are interested in handling ticket sales to their members will may be able to receive discounted prices if more than 6 tickets are sold.  Last year we had 80+ people join us through the night and we hope to make this years bigger and better!

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2004, 19:46:55 »
I'm glad to know that I don't have the only haunted Armoury in Canada. While a lot of the noises are just the moans and groans inherent in an old building (or, in our case, the sound of the underground river that flows beneath the basement), there are some happenings that have been reported repeatedly by multiple people.

Our Armoury has three separate occurences that are rather unnerving the first time you experience them - the most common is the "footsteps on the parade square". From the back of the building, you will hear the distinct sound of someone walking across the square - although investigation will reveal no one there. The second is the "coughing woman", heard near the front entrance. An odd one, as everyone reports the sound as being that of a woman coughing or clearing her throat. Again, there will be no one there.

But my favourite (and I've experienced it multiple times, as I am often alone in the building) is the sound heard only in the basement hallway - that of cadence being called on the square. That one is clear enough that I find myself walking in step automatically - but as you mount the stairs, the sound fades.

My Warrant scoffed at me when I first mentioned the hauntings, but a stint of overnight duty alone during Op Peregrine made a believer out of him.  It really creeps him out - but I figure that nothing has shown itself to be harmful, so I welcome the company.  ;)

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2004, 21:22:17 »
The CGG Armoury in Montreal was reputed to be haunted by the ghost of an officer who came back from WW1 only to find that his wife was living with his best friend - and so he shot himself on the balcony outside the Officers' Mess.  I never saw him, but I certainly heard him walking up and down the balcony outside the Mess.  A MCpl who was studying Paranormal Whojackapivvies set up a motion sensitive camera for a couple of days while I was acting RSS - he caught a few unexplained blurs, but that is about it.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2004, 21:44:55 »
anyone stay the night at the fort york armories? i did once and had to take a leak @ 2am so i started walking down that long hallway that leads back up stiars anyways as i was walkin i could feel that someone was watching me so i kept turning around and seein if anyone was there but i couldnt see anyone..the next morning i talked to some people and they said the same thing happend to them kinda scarey for my first paranormal experience
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2004, 23:03:03 »
Aldous Huxley said it best...

Don't keep us in suspense - which Huxley sentiment are you referring to? I suspect "The only completely consistent people are the dead", but he said a lot of things.

Some favourites:

"Several excuses are always less convincing than one."
"An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex."
"Experience teaches only the teachable."
"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."
And, apropos your signature: "To his dog, every man is Napolean, hence the constant popularity of dogs."
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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2004, 09:16:57 »
Don't keep us in suspense - which Huxley sentiment are you referring to? I suspect "The only completely consistent people are the dead", but he said a lot of things.

Wow.  I didn't expect to be called on that one...

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Some favourites:

"Several excuses are always less convincing than one."
"An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex."
"Experience teaches only the teachable."
"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."

All good ones - but I was referring to "percetion is reality" ie: if one thinks they saw a ghost, then a ghost it was...

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And, apropos your signature: "To his dog, every man is Napolean, hence the constant popularity of dogs." ;)

Now that is brilliant!  However, I have trained my Golden Retriever to think of me as Clausewitz, and my German Shepard to think of me as Sun Tzu.  My cats (4 of them) simply refer to me as the "guy with the thumbs" (as in - Hey! You with the Thumbs!  Open the fricking door!), or "food guy".

"The higher the rank, the more necessary it is that boldness should be accompanied by a reflective mind....for with increase in rank it becomes always a matter less of self-sacrifice and more a matter of the preservation of others, and the good of the whole."

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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2004, 22:50:01 »
Now that is brilliant!  However, I have trained my Golden Retriever to think of me as Clausewitz, and my German Shepard to think of me as Sun Tzu.  My cats (4 of them) simply refer to me as the "guy with the thumbs" (as in - Hey! You with the Thumbs!  Open the fricking door!), or "food guy".

 ;D Which reminds me of another favourite; unattributed if I recall correctly: Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.


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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2005, 12:22:22 »
Apt topic to "resurrect" considering the subject matter.

I see what you mean by the silhouettes. Last Thursday night was really kind of creep, as there was no light in the staircase, only at the top landing and down by the Sgts mess.  Add to that the thunder and flashes of lightning we could see out the window....

Danjanou

The creepiest thing about the stair between the Sgts and Jr Mess are the silhouettes painted on the walls.  A retired Jack painted those before he left back in the 90's and if you walk up the stairs in the dark, they follow you up the stairs.  However, when you are stumbling out of the mess at night, it looks like they are giving you the "Present Arms" on your way out.

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2005, 02:26:45 »
In the fall of 1974, I was stationed with a buddy of mine to CFB Chilliwack with the Trg Support Troop at CFOCS. As young fellows (we were both 18) we were pretty thick and decided to hitch hike to Vancouver on a Sunday as we'd been told that it was "close by" and it was a long weekend. We got some good rides and got there fairly quickly. We wandered around Vancouver for quite some time and got lost. We were pretty beat and dejected from our excursion and as it happened we came upon the Seaforth Armoury late at night. The main door was unlocked and we entered. We were met at the door by an NCO who was very friendly and sympathetic to our plight. He brought us up a set of stairs to what I remember to be a large room in (I think) a tower. It was full of nice cushy chairs and couches, a big fireplace with a mounted stag's head and a small bar. He told us that we could stay the night and that he'd left the back room unlocked for us in case we wanted a drink. Then he said goodnight and left us, closing the door behind him. In the small ante room, there was a 6 foot table with an assortment of bottles on it. We each picked one and had a seat and a drink. The fatigue and the rum made for a nice lights out. We awoke the next morning feeling well rested, found the washroom and headed out to find our way back to camp. When we got down to the main floor we were confronted by a Commissionaire who asked how we got into the building. We told him what happened and he told us not to lie as there was no one in the building overnight but him. This really creeped us out and we left the Commissionaire asking what really transpired and what our names were. It's been many years since then and the memory of it rekindled when I read this thread. Now my recollection of it may be pretty fuzzy after 30 years as it was the one and only time in my life I've ever been there, but it's a true story. I've always wondered who the guy was who helped out a couple of young soldiers in a jam?

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Re: Unit Ghost's
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2005, 09:53:41 »
In the spring of 1990, the Cornwall Armoury was the home to about 500 troops from the SD&G Highrs, 1 RCR, CH of O, 28 MP Pl  and other units of 2 CMBG.  All this was in response to unrest on the Akwesasne Mohawk Reserve.

I was Security Platoon WO and worked alongside about a dozen members of 2 MP Pl. Coming into work one morning, I was asked by the MP Duty Sgt why we had laid on an extra Commissionaire the night before.  I responded that we had only one on duty.   He argued that he had gotten up for a pee and saw a Commissionaire in the hallway of our Officer's Mess.  He then dropped by the duty centre and saw the "other" Commissionaire sitting in his customary spot.

I asked him to describe the Commissionaire and he described a man we Glens all knew very well who had passed away quite recently, apparently after suffering a heart attack in the Armoury.

The children of some of our officers have reported a similar sighting.

I have been in the Armoury in response to alarms and have found myself alone, late at night, after the police had left.  When I lock up, I always get the feeling that I'm leaving the building in good hands and I always say â Å“good nightâ ? to the old Commissionaire.
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