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TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« on: February 19, 2008, 14:06:39 »
As the title says this is a review of my new TCCC/CLS shoulder bag, or as I have dubbed it "The Med Murse".

When I found out that I would be one of the TCCC's for my section I spend a lot of time humming and hawing about how to carry my medical supplies. I kicked around a bunch of options weighing the pros and cons. I am by no means an experienced medical provider, these are just my thought so what does not work for me may work for others, as always YMMV;

Drop Leg pouch - We have been issued drop leg pouches for our kit. The brand varies from the TT med pouch and platform that I got to the CTOMS pouch and platform. All of the non mat tech produced bags that I have seen are good quality and well designed I just dont like the concept of drop legs. Although none of the medical supplies are heavy, they are quite bulky and make for some large pouches. The issue that I have with the drop leg is several fold. Firstly, I strongly dislike having pouches attached to my legs. I find that they are hot, rub on my leg, swing around and fatigue my leg, are a pain when sitting in the back of the LAV and finally get caught up on doors and all kinds of other things. Additionally, their clam shell design has a habit of dumping your crap when you pull it open if it is not packed just right, as well it makes it difficult to transfer back to care under fire from tactical field care. For these reasons I discounted drop legs. I still have the issue one and may end up using if I need to.

Back Pack - Although an option I discounted this right away as I am not a medic and in no way have enough crap to fill a dedicated medical pack.

Fanny/*** pack - I looked into the Emdom recon pack and several other fanny packs. I liked the concept as it was off my legs and would not interfere with movement through doors, and in the back of the LAV. I eventually discounted this option after trying one on with armor and vest. It was impossible to even see into the fanny pack with all of my battle rattle on. This would mean that I would have to remove the waist pack every time I needed to treat someone. Not as much of an issue in the tactical field care portion of care, but definitely an issue in care under fire, trying to find TQ's and such.

Shoulder Bag - I liked the concept of a shoulder bag, similar to what medics used to use, ala WWII med bags etc. I liked the concept because, again like the fanny pack, it would not interfere with my movement and I could remove it in the back of the LAV. Unlike the waist pack I would be able to swing the bag to my front and access it without removing the bag, thus allowing me to treat someone with out any issues. This is the concept that I decided to go with.

After having decided on a concept I went about trying to action it. I could not find a commercial style bag that would meet my needs and be low profile enough so I went to ICE tactical and got a custom bag. Here is the result;





I wanted a bag that was low profile and somewhat contoured so that it would not swing around and bounce when it was slung behind me.



 Additionally I wanted pockets on the outside for TQ's, shears, and gloves.

Shears, and Gloves



2x CAT TQ's



TCCC's are issued, at a minimum (at least this is what I was told on course), 2x CATS, shears, 2x Israeli dressings, 2x Kerlix, 2x Asherman Chest Seals, 2x 10g Needles for decompression, 1x triangular bandage, 1x Quickclot and 2x NPA with lube. I wanted the bag to hold all of that kit in an organized manner, and if possible have room for more. I am quite happy with the result. The bag is broken into two compartments. The main pocket with elastic loops throughout, and a small flat rear pocket. My version of the bag does not have elastic in the rear pocket, but the more recent bags do.

Main pocket



Rear Pocket



All told I am currently carrying comfortably; 2x TQ's, shears, gloves, 4x Israeli dressings, 3x Kerlix, 2x triangular bandages, 3x Asherman seals, 8x tagaderm, 3x Israeli packages for 3 sided dressings, 4x 10g needles for decompression, and 2x NPA with lube (missing is the quickclot as we dont get issued it until arriving in theater). The interior of the bag is organized and I have room to spare.





The bag rides extremely well. I dont even notice when it is slung behind me, the outer pockets on my chest rig keep it from swinging forward. When I need to treat someone it is very easy to sling the back to my front and access the contents. Because the bag is not a clamshell design the contents do not spill out, making it very easy and quick to transition back into care under fire from tactical field care.

The bag cost me $60Can from ICE tactical and all in all I am very happy. The only change that I would make would be adding elastic loops to the rear compartment, which is being done to the 5 bags ordered by other guys in my platoon. Although this option of med carriage is not for everyone it works quite well for me. ICE tactical and Derek were a pleasure to deal with both on my original order for the bag, and the subsequent platoon order that I put in. I would definitely recommend them, and this bag for other TCCC's.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 14:48:28 »
Put a waist belt on it as well as the shoulder sling, and you might have something there.


p.s.-nice purse.
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 15:28:19 »
That is one slick looking bag. I like the concept of this med bag. As you said, you can swing it behind your back, keep it on the side, or move it in front while in use.

While I am not TCCC, having handled the issued Dropleg pouches quite a bit, I feel that if I had to wear one, I would likely have the same issues as you Phil.

Does your Murse interfere with the rig (I believe its the MAV?) that you're running? When slung, do you have the bag riding on the side of your rig or below the rig on your hip?

I'll have to get the TCCC guys in my pl. take a look at your review.

Derek: Just to confirm: Being that this item is special order, should anyone else be interested in this pattern of bag, when speaking with ICE, the proper nomenclature for this bag to be referred to as is the "TCCC Shoulder Bag"?

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 15:34:33 »
St Michaels -  It does have a waist belt, you can see the tri glide buckle on the side where it attaches in one of the pics. I didnt mention it in the review because I found that I never used it. Like I said my rig holds it in place quite well, and the waist belt just slowed me down when I was slinging if forward.

Eric - I use something called the SOE MWR rig, somewhat similar to a 1 piece MAV. Basically I have this bag right behind me. It sits in between the two outer most pouches of the rig in the small of my back. The bag does not interfere at all, in fact I dont really notice that it is there, even when running.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 17:31:08 »
Eric,

   Just ask about the TCCC Murse ;D when you speak with Hobey the owner, or if you're talking to me, just say the Phil bag :D


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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 17:32:30 »
Put a waist belt on it as well as the shoulder sling, and you might have something there.


p.s.-nice purse.

Mate, you're just jealous because you know you want one :D

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 17:34:59 »
Just a point about field dressings, they are convenient but I wouldnt carry too many of them. Curlex and ace wraps take up less space and are more versatile than a field dressing.

Good looking bag though, seems to fit the role.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 20:17:11 »
ooo! Follow-up question... (mostly directed at Derek again).

Them zippers look like they're sewn on upside-down (or inside-out). I normally see that with "water-resistant" zipper, but the zipper on this pouch is not water resistant. Any specific reason this was done, or was it just for a smoother look (or maybe to keep dirt out of the coil?)

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 20:19:34 »
ooo! Follow-up question... (mostly directed at Derek again).

Them zippers look like they're sewn on upside-down (or inside-out). I normally see that with "water-resistant" zipper, but the zipper on this pouch is not water resistant. Any specific reason this was done, or was it just for a smoother look (or maybe to keep dirt out of the coil?)

Because we're HSLD ;) Naw, it's done this way because it looks good, and it does preserve the coil that much more. The boss came up with it for all our equipment after working at some other places. He thinks it's a good idea, and so do I :)
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 20:25:19 »
Well the functionality of the zipper would not be affected by installing it upside down, so why not? Aesthetically, it does looks better. (you could also argue that helps reduce glint from the sun  ;D )

Either way, great looking bag.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 20:28:54 »
Well the functionality of the zipper would not be affected by installing it upside down, so why not? Aesthetically, it does looks better. (you could also argue that helps reduce glint from the sun  ;D )

Either way, great looking bag.

LOL thanks.... you know what our secret is? Our zippers are all painted ;) it doesn't reflect anyways ;)
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 22:17:18 »
The problem with this is the term "Murse" is already taken:  Man Nurse, not Man Purse.  We've got a couple in KAF right now!
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2008, 02:05:52 »
The problem with this is the term "Murse" is already taken:  Man Nurse, not Man Purse.  We've got a couple in KAF right now!

Oh... bah... Male Nurses... curse them!

Medurse then?
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2008, 07:40:06 »
You could just call it "The Fabulouthly Thpeshiall Medicale Sholder Bag".

Or would that be a bit over the top (and long)?

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2008, 09:11:13 »
You could just call it "The Fabulouthly Thpeshiall Medicale Sholder Bag".

Or would that be a bit over the top (and long)?

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2008, 09:33:14 »
How about EMC?  - European Medical Carryall?  "It's not a purse.  It's European!"

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2008, 12:30:45 »
muahahahaha, you are all ever so horrible!   ;D
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2008, 15:00:22 »
The army always names things backwards so it would be something like:

Purse, Army Nurse, Sachel Item.     ;D

Does look handy though for certain application.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2008, 20:36:01 »
Kit, Medical Combat, Buttock Slung, Fashionable, for the use of.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2008, 22:19:40 »
Mate, you're just jealous because you know you want one :D



No thanks. I have several real bags....besides with carbine on left side, a pistol on right side leaves little place for a slung pouch to hang.
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2008, 22:34:04 »
PANSI - LOL  :rofl:
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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2008, 22:37:53 »
No thanks. I have several real bags....besides with carbine on left side, a pistol on right side leaves little place for a slung pouch to hang.

Hey! it's a real bag  :'( don't be hating... :D

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2008, 22:37:53 »
No thanks. I have several real bags....besides with carbine on left side, a pistol on right side leaves little place for a slung pouch to hang.

That's why you tuck it up in your underwear or wear spandex  ;).

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2008, 22:59:01 »
No thanks. I have several real bags....besides with carbine on left side, a pistol on right side leaves little place for a slung pouch to hang.

I have a carbine and occasionally a pistol as well. I wear the bag directly behind me, sitting basically in the small of my back. You barely notice that it is there, and it does not interfere with either weapon. Again, slinging it forward is extremely easy and quick.

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Re: TCCC Shoulder Bag aka The Med Murse
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2008, 12:09:40 »
Maybe a couple pictures so that they can see where you carry it, and how it 'deploys'.  With your after market rig, and maybe one with the TacVest, as well?  Not trying to tell you how to do your job, just trying to make it easier for the rest of us to envision.

I am the 'First-Aider' for my cadet corps, and I always carry one of those big 'Bag, Green, Red Cross on top' when we are out doing stuff.  I carry it over my butt as well, so I know what you mean.  I am very tempted to get one of these though, it looks like it would not make my butt look so big (in keeping with the male nurse theme ;D )

Thanks for the great review
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