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How much do you pay for mess dues?
« on: September 01, 2010, 14:55:14 »
I'm looking for feedback from both the reg force and reserves.

I'm wondering what the Junior Ranks mess at your respective regiments charge per month or year (for reg force) and for the training year (for reservists).

I would also be interested in hearing what the SNCO/Officers mess charge for comparison.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 15:17:26 »
My mess dues doubled when i went from the JRC to the WO & Sgts mess. I'm currently paying a little over $20 a month.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 16:52:14 »
$12/month I believe.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 17:10:49 »
$30/month currently but in the last year belonged to two other wardrooms which were $28 and $35.

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 18:24:48 »
In the past seven years I have seen MS&B messes charging between $4 per month up to $12 per month depending where you are.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 19:40:49 »
22$ a month, O' Mess in Bagtown.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 22:33:26 »
While it's a reserve mess I thought out $35 a year was high. I've been looking to increase profit and raising the mess dues was one way. Maybe $45 or $50 for the training year. (Sept to May).    I know lots of regular force members pay mess dues and don't even step foot inside the mess.

Maybe raise price of beer from $2.50 a beer to $3 or something could work too.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 22:37:08 »
What exactly do these mess dues get you?  And what exactly goes on in said mess?
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 22:39:58 »
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 22:41:03 »
And what exactly goes on in said mess?

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 22:49:29 »
What exactly do these mess dues get you?  And what exactly goes on in said mess?

The answer to both is different for each mess.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2010, 12:06:17 »
Well I've stood infront of the CO and RSM a few times as PMC but I'm sure that's not what you meant..

We'll generally have a mess function every month. Back to work BBQ. Halloween party. Rememberence day. Christmas Dinner.  New Year party. Apollo Diomedes party AKA Valintines day. St Patricks day. etc..

Mess is open every Tuesday and Thursday which members have access too.  Usually a free round and free pizza after Ex's. Members can request the bar and mess open for a  movie night on the big screen,  Xbox 360 night.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2010, 17:51:45 »
20 something bucks for one mess and 60 dollars a year for another private mess

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2010, 17:55:09 »
I'm aware there are separate messes for Officers, NCOs and NCMs but are they messes for the base? For each unit?
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2010, 18:35:00 »
Every mess is different, but some are far worse than others.

Here in Meaford I will be paying $40 for two months. In these two months I have had exactly 3 opportunities to actually go given the insane workload of RST for the leadership (most nights I just want to go to bed after finishing vetting files and paperwork about 2000hr or later). This mess manager also gave me a "f*** you" answer when I inquired about them getting the National Post (when I arrived, I had the expectation I would be able to go in every so often and read it...), so the mess dies are certainly not going to support me as a "member".

The OR's have it even worse; my MCpl section commanders pay $20 for two months and are locked out of a room which had all the expensive sound system/42" plasma tv/comfortable couches paid for by their mess dues (the sign on the door says something to the effect of "reserved for permanent staff only"). Candidates never get into the mess at all but must still pay.

Of course I must now contend with an equally responsive mess in London trying to get the payment/double payment of dues sorted out.

Your experience may be different (and hopefully better)
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 19:05:34 »
Gotta love those Messes.   On OP CADENCE we got to live in a couple of classrooms in Denison Armouries after being moved out of our hotels.  We were told that the Junior ranks would be left open for us to use after hours.  Great!  Their big screen TV had been broken for months.  Their Overhead Projector was missing (away supposedly for repairs for several months).  There were no darts for the Dart Boards.  No balls for the Pool Tables or Fussball game.  AND THERE WAS NO FRACKIN BAR TENDER to open the bar.  Yet another demerit point for LFCA HQ.    >:(


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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 20:52:24 »
Frankly, the vast majority of messes in the places I been over the last decade (London, Gagetown, Kingston, Petawawa, St Jean etc.) are more like ghost towns than real establishments. Even in Meaford, despite the tens of thousands of dollars they get each summer, still does not find it worthwhile to hire two bartenders, rather a small note on the bar suggests you call a number if you want a bartender to come sell you a drink.

Makes you wonder if the reasons for having a mess at all have faded into history as this generation of soldiers head off to their "real lives" after the end of the workday or parade night.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 23:10:39 »
I pay $16/ month for one and $60/ year to another. Then of course there are the manditory mess dinners and other functions one must attend.

A way to drum up support for your mess is to get all the MCpls of your unit together and brainstorm the problem.

One solution is to have a mandatory half hour at the mess after your parade night.

We had it when I was in the Reserves eons ago and it worked. If anything it got the Esprit de Corps up a wee bit. No one forced anyone to drink alcohol.

You're there for 3 - 4 hours on a parade night...what's another half hour to have some laughs and play some pool?

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 23:48:09 »
Approx $30/month - TGIF with free food every friday.  Major party every quarter.  Cheapest beer that the law allows.  Brand new $40,000 entertainment system. New BBQ patio built by the contractor.  Mess dinner every month or two.

MJ has one of the most robust Mess life in the CF - Portage is not too far behind.  Something to do with an ample number of Junior Officers hanging around on friday night...

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2010, 00:09:56 »
I really am in the wrong trade/unit/base.

The last mess meeting the committee didn't even put out a pot of coffee.....
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 13:04:04 »
The OR's have it even worse; my MCpl section commanders pay $20 for two months and are locked out of a room which had all the expensive sound system/42" plasma tv/comfortable couches paid for by their mess dues (the sign on the door says something to the effect of "reserved for permanent staff only"). Candidates never get into the mess at all but must still pay.

That is simply wrong and a clear violation of policy.  No CO who calls himself a leader should allow this to happen.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 13:41:12 »
That is simply wrong and a clear violation of policy.  No CO who calls himself a leader should allow this to happen.

We're talking Meaford here ::) The whole Mess institution there has been out of control from the day they opened the doors.
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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 13:49:17 »
One solution is to have a mandatory half hour at the mess after your parade night... If anything it got the Esprit de Corps up a wee bit. No one forced anyone to drink alcohol.

Our unit has this. Our mess currently has more funds then it can spend. You can only buy so many video games. And the folks with the facilities contract won't allow us to pay for improvements to the mess itself.

As for not having reasonable attendance after a parade night, this is a leadership thing. It's not uncommon for one of our Sr JRs (is that an oxymoron?) to be standing by the exit and questioning every troop why he is heading towards the exit rather than the mess. Our CSM has also marched us to and dismissed us in front of the mess on a semi-regular basis (3 or 4 times per training year) for the 5 years I've been in.

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 14:14:22 »
What exactly do these mess dues get you?  And what exactly goes on in said mess?

A mess is much like a traditional club, of the type not often seen in civilian life anymore.  There's usually a place to relax (something like a living room), a bar, often games (pool, darts, video games), often a dining hall.  The extent of the facility depends a lot on where it is.  In an armoury it's not much different from a pub in most ways.  On a base it might include the main dining room and/or quarters for that rank group.

Membership (which is generally compulsory) gets you the use of the facilities and the right to attend functions (which others have described in this thread).  Drinks tend to be cheap, and for certain occasions free.  Sometimes there is free food as well, e.g. finger foods during a sports event.  Some messes will have very impressive a formal dinner (a "mess dinner") from time to time.

I'm aware there are separate messes for Officers, NCOs and NCMs but are they messes for the base? For each unit?

In my experience most bases will have one mess for each rank group (officers, warrant officers and sergeants, and junior ranks).  In some cases individual units may have their own messes.  For example, at CFB Gagetown there is an officers' mess for all officers, and the RCR Battalion on the base has its own officers' mess as well.  I think single-unit/regimental messes were more common in the past.

In armouries with multiple units I believe it's customary to have a single mess in each rank group for all of the units.

In some cases different rank groups share a mess, e.g. I know of one armoury that has one mess for officers, warrant officers, and sergeants and another one for junior ranks.  CFB Greenwood has one mess for everyone but each rank group has its own spaces in the building.  The dining hall and some facilities are shared.

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Re: How much do you pay for mess dues?
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2010, 15:42:30 »
I thought my info was dated but appears some things have not changed.  I left Gagetown after a 4 month call out to the School of Cool in 1988 where I was charged $15.00 a month for the CTC WO & Sgts Mess which was open every day and had numerous functions, free munchies etc. and a snack pit, TV room, main bar etc. There was also a welcome door policy to the other two WO & Sgts Mess on base for base staff and other lodger units. I had a receipt to claim mess dues against those of my parent unit base as a credit for the time I was in NB.

I  arrived in Toronto that fall  and transferred to the Toronto Scottish at FYA and was told dues were $25.00 a month 10 months of the year ( summers off) for a one room mess that in theory was supposed to be open two nights a week,  Tuesday Parades  and Thursday admin. It has less than a dozen members  and an archaic dress code that stated if you were not in uniform of the day on admin night because maybe you came straight from work, you could not enter the mess unless in jacket and tie?  ::)

Most times the mess was never open on Thursday and frequently not on Tuesday as the then bartender often decided not to come in. IIRC I ended up ringing the bell for my promotion to MWO in the RRC Mess as mine was closed. I bought another round the next time ours was open of course.

There were at the time 1 JRs mess for the five units in FYA, but five each Officers Messes & WO & Sgts Messes naturally and 4 all ranks band messes. Any suggestion on combining the high priced help into a single mess  for Officers and another for WO  & Sgts like the troopies was of course met with cries for public crucifixion on the drill hall floor. Such was my intro to the oh so social aspect of the Militia in Upper Canada.

By the time I left in 1994, I was Vice PMC and the place had a manager/steward who at least showed up twice a week and even on some weekend functions.

Legion Branch I just transferredf to wants a whopping $40.00 a year and has a honking great patio. ;D
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