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5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« on: August 05, 2010, 08:00:47 »
Hope everyone's OK, and if anyone's hurt, a speedy and full recovery to them....

This from ISAF ....
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International Security Assistance Force helicopter made a hard landing in Kandahar province, near Armarah village. The helicopter caught fire after landing. Five crew members and five passengers have been recovered and there were no injuries. The site of landing has been secured by Afghan National Police and ISAF forces.

The cause of the hard landing is under investigation.

.... and this initial report from the Canadian Press, shared with the usual disclaimer:
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A Canadian Chinook helicopter has made a hard landing and caught on fire in Kandahar province.

Canadian Maj. Daryl Morrell said the Chinook landed near the village of Armarah, about 25 kilometres southwest of Kandahar city, causing only minor injuries to those on board.

Five passengers and five crew members have been recovered from the aircraft.

The site of the landing has been secured by Afghan National Police and NATO forces.

Morrell said the cause of the incident is under investigation.

He couldn't say how many of those on board the Chinook were hurt.
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 08:14:05 »
Slight more info ref fire from National Post:


Canadian chopper makes ‘hard landing’ in Afghanistan
Postmedia News  August 5, 2010 – 7:52 am

By Brian Hutchinson

KANDAHAR AIRFIELD, Afghanistan — A Canadian Chinook helicopter with five crew members and five passengers aboard caught fire after making what military officials have termed a “hard landing” in dangerous Panjwaii district, west of Kandahar City.

The CH-147 medium-lift helicopter came down hard at 2 p.m. local time Thursday near Armarah village, about 20 kilometres southwest of Kandahar City.

Reasons for the abrupt landing and the fire were not immediately known and an investigation is now underway, according to Canadian military spokesman Maj. Darryl Morrell.

There were minor injuries to some of those aboard, but the exact nature of those injuries has not yet been determined, Morrell added.

An Afghan government spokesman said that Afghan security forces have secured the area around the Canadian Chinook.
Meanwhile a Taliban spokesman has told reporters in Kandahar that the insurgents downed the helicopter and that there were casualties. The Taliban routinely invent stories and make false claims of victory on the battlefield.



Read more: http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/08/05/canadian-chopper-makes-%E2%80%98hard-landing%E2%80%99-in-afghanistan/#ixzz0vjVHzHRd

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 08:21:15 »
Our MSM seem to believe the Taliban, to some extent:
Canadian chopper downed in Afghanistan, none hurt
NATO helicopter goes down in southern Afghanistan

Glad to hear that anyone hurt was only lightly hurt.  :salute:
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 08:39:32 »
Just when I was going to switch to CTV news they publish that pile of junk. I'm going to have to continue my search for a decent news source. Hope all are ok.
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ISAF: 8 w/minor injuries
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 10:26:01 »
A bit more detail from Postmedia News:
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A Canadian Forces Chinook helicopter with five crew members and 15 passengers on board caught fire after making what military officials have termed a "hard landing" in dangerous Panjwaii district, west of Kandahar city.

The CH-147 medium-lift helicopter came down hard at 2 p.m. local time near Armarah village, about 20 kilometres southwest of Kandahar city.

Reasons for the abrupt landing and the fire were not immediately known and an investigation is underway, according to Canadian military spokesman Maj. Daryl Morrell. Eight people aboard sustained minor injuries, according to an ISAF statement released several hours after the incident. The exact nature of the injuries were not disclosed.

Afghan security forces along with ISAF members have secured the area around the Canadian Chinook.

Meanwhile, a Taliban spokesman has told reporters in Kandahar that the insurgent group downed the helicopter and that there are casualties. The Taliban routinely invent stories and make false claims of victory on the battlefield ....

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.... Five crew members and 15 passengers have been recovered, with eight people receiving minor injuries. An earlier report indicated there were only 10 people on the helicopter and no injuries, however, following further reporting from the ground, the additional passengers were accounted for ....
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 11:17:49 »
Wow, look at that.

First report said ten people.  The first report was wrong: there were more people.  Where is the inquiry?  (Just illustrating a very current example of inaccurate initial reporting as we've seen in the so-called "Wikileaks" case).
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 11:19:18 »
Don't worry.  I am sure, in five or so years, Wikileaks will come out with the inaccurate reports.
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 11:34:44 »
Wow, look at that.

First report said ten people.  The first report was wrong: there were more people.  Where is the inquiry?  (Just illustrating a very current example of inaccurate initial reporting as we've seen in the so-called "Wikileaks" case).

Exactly.  First report likely based on the initial aircraft crew/passenger manifest.  Then you add and take off passengers and cargo, probably a few versions of the manifest at various times.  Reports collated, and by the time someone inaccurately added up all the manifests, the helicopter would be carrying over a hundred people...

Good to hear that there were only minor injuries, because as someone said, aviation isn't inherently dangerous, just not particularly forgiving.

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 11:46:37 »
First report said ten people.  The first report was wrong: there were more people.  Where is the inquiry?
What WERE they trying to hide?  The truth is out there somewhere....
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Canadian Chinook Makes Hard Landing in A-Stan from CityTV
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 16:14:31 »
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/international/article/89756--canadian-helicopter-crashes-in-afghanistan

Canadian Helicopter Crashes In Afghanistan
2010/08/05 | Bill Graveland, The Canadian Press
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A Canadian Chinook helicopter was forced to make a hard landing near a remote village in Kandahar province Thursday, bursting into flames and causing minor injuries to eight soldiers.
"About 2pm Thursday a Canadian Forces CH147 Chinook helicopter had a hard landing about 20 kilometres southwest of Kandahar city. There were minor injuries,'' said Maj. Daryl Morrell, senior public affairs officer for Task Force Kandahar.
The Associated Press reported that Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi claimed insurgents shot down the aircraft with a rocket. Morrell said the investigation into the incident was too early in its progress to say whether the claim was true or not.
"What we're doing right now is we're looking into causes. So this will be investigated and we'll get more details," Morrell said.
"Right now all that we know is it was a hard landing. We want to confirm and that's what we're doing now."
A shopkeeper in the area said he heard a loud bang, then saw smoke and the helicopter falling into a field. A witness said the helicopter was still on fire a couple of hours after it came down.
The Chinook landed near the village of Armarah.
The site of the landing was immediately secured by Afghan National Police and NATO forces.
The five crew members, including two pilots and three door gunners, as well as five passengers were recovered from the Chinook.
Morrell couldn't say how many of those on board were hurt.
It's not the first time a Canadian helicopter has crashed in Afghanistan.
On July 6, 2009, Master Cpl. Pat Audet, 38, of Montreal, and Cpl. Martin Joannette, 25, of St-Calixte, Que., died in Zabul province when their Griffon CH-146 helicopter crashed on takeoff. Three other Canadian Forces members were injured, one of them seriously. A British officer was also killed in the crash.
The crash last year was believed to have occurred when the chopper clipped a security wall while trying to manoeuvre in a blinding cloud of dust.
The six aging CH-47D Chinooks, purchased from the United States with a price tag of $292 million a couple of years ago, have done yeoman's service since they began flying in Afghanistan early last year.
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Re: Canadian Chinook Makes Hard Landing in A-Stan from CityTV
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 16:16:53 »
Good job to the pilot for doing what you could to make the best of whatever the situation was.
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Re: Canadian Chinook Makes Hard Landing in A-Stan from CityTV
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 16:21:03 »
Didn't they say in WW2 that any landing you can walk away from is a good one?

Good job on keeping SA while putting her down as gentle as possible. :salute:

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 16:49:37 »
Thread from Airforce.ca/Rotoheads merged into this thread.

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 18:19:36 »
A couple of images of the crash site.

 

Canadian soldiers walk towards a burning Canadian Forces CH-147 Chinook helicopter after it made a hard landing near the village of Bazaar e Panjway, in the Panjway district west of Kandahar August 5, 2010. Canadian military officials said there were minor injuries to the eight crew and passengers and that the cause of the accident is still under investigation.


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And who takes credit, of course?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 20:18:46 »
Breaking new: US helicopter shot down in Kandahar, 30 US invaders killed - Screen capture of full statement at Scribd.com
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Thursday, 05 August 2010 21:35 Qari Yousuf Ahmadi
KNADHAR, Aug. 05 – A US invading troops helicopter got shot down in Sothern Kandahar province today (Aug. 05) at about 2:30 pm, killing as many as 30 US invading troops and crew members, according to a recent report from the province.  The enemy attack helicopter was brought down by Mujahideen rocket fire while on lower attitude over the district center, causing the helicopter to be set on fire in Panjwaii district of the province where the enemy copter fell down.
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Re: And who takes credit, of course?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2010, 20:51:51 »
...Breaking new: US helicopter shot down in Kandahar, 30 US invaders killed...

Pretty interesting choice of photos.  I'm no helicoptologist but I don't think 30 of anything are fitting in there.
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2010, 21:03:39 »
A chinook can pack alot of troops into it if they are seated on the floor. We never want one of those birds to come down.

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2010, 21:17:17 »
A chinook can pack alot of troops ....

Well aware that a Chinook can.  The propaganda website has this as a photo, stating that 30 were killed in it:



Added:  Sorry for how it comes up, the entire website is a screen capture.

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2010, 21:19:50 »
Just like the numbers and (often) the grammar, the Taliban's web site photo editor isn't exactly spot-on with his photo picks  ;)
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2010, 21:44:03 »
...they get points for creativity, though.


After a long search, we found a photo of the 30 servicemen:

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2010, 21:57:11 »
I would not have mentioned money had anyone been killed or seriously wounded, but since it would appear that there were only minor injuries, this will be an extremely expensive month for the CF in terms of losses.

First a CF18 is destroyed, and now we just spent almost $300 million I believe on these six CH47s / 6 = $50 million loss.

Of course the fact that lives were not lost is the real story, but losing a Chinook budget-wise is like losing a Company's worth of LAVs...just...gone.
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2010, 22:08:09 »
and now we just spent almost $300 million I believe on these six CH47s / 6 = $50 million loss.


Minus what the support portion of the contract cost, on some contracts the support portion can be 25-50% of the overall cost.

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2010, 22:09:41 »
$292M to put the whole capability in place and maintain until end-of-mission, including initial training, re-currency training, aircraft, ancillary systems, spare parts, tools, consumables, etc... all go into the overall cost.  The airframes themselves were not $50M.

As with other systems/hulls/vehicles/etc..., if a system can be repaired, it is; if not, it is a cost of doing business.  My flight instructor on jets would always tell me as we armed the ejection sets preparing to taxi for take off, "Remember, this aircraft is already paid for.  If it stops working, we keep the ejection seats and give the rest back to the taxpayer."  It was a way of reminding ourselves that people are the most important, and that mechanical things can be replaced (or not, if so decided).

In this case, after getting likely thousands of troops off the road and millions of pounds of cargo out to the soldiers, the machine got the crew and passengers safely down on the ground.  Money well spent IMO!  :salute:

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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2010, 22:14:45 »
Who really cares about the cost.
Military eqpt is meant to go into harms way, and loss is inevitable.
It can be replaced, lives can't.
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Re: 5 Aug 10: Hard Landing for CAN Chinook in K'Har Province
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2010, 22:25:02 »
Who really cares about the cost.
Military eqpt is meant to go into harms way, and loss is inevitable.
It can be replaced, lives can't.

True that.

Glad to hear that all made it out of this one alive.
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