Author Topic: Recruiting Process of naturalized Canadian (Read 14162 times)

Kat Stevens · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2010, 23:30:22 »

It's only been a half hour, relax. Not everyone is panting in anticipation waiting to leap on the next great never-asked-before post. If someone with current and relevant info reads your post, I'm sure they'll give you an answer. If this is the level of patience you possess, recruiting is going to be a long row for you to hoe.

Alea · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2010, 00:57:50 »

Barbarossa,

To the best of my knowledge and I'm sure some more experienced members of the forum will answer you also.

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In short, what the website is saying and the recruiting centre doesn't match sometimes.

The Canadian Army website is not updated as fast as the positions are closed. Lately, most of the trades in the CF closed because there is simply... no more rooms.
Your best option is to relay to what your recruiter tells you. He is the one who has the latest datas. keep in mind that if 10 positions open in i.e. RMS and there is already people with a full process completed on a merit list... obviously these positions will be offered to these people rather than to someone who's process is not even started.

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Foreign references are acceptable although Canadian references are very much preferred.

I asked the same question... was given the same answer... therefor, you have your answer

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1. I applied for the LCIS tech position and although it is closed now, he said that this position is security level 2 which means you must have resided in Canada for at least 7 years. I have only been here around 5 years. Is this true? I have browsed the forums for these and there was a thread that a naturalized Canadian wants to be an officer even though he is only been around here less than 5 years and I have not read from him that this is an obstacle. For an officer you are not required security clearance but for a NCM you must have one??

This is only a guess here but:
For some trades in the CF, you need a certain level of security regarding on the fact that you're an officer or a NCM. i.e. NCM working in psysops will probably need a higher security level than a Logistic Officer.
Please confirm this with someone else on the forum.

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4. As a naturalized Canadian, I understand that I have more security to clear than those who were born here. Also, my father currently lives in the Philippines and works for the government there. What steps should I take to hasten up the application process?

It is not because you are a naturalized Canadian that you need to undergo a deeper security check. When you have relatives living in countries that are not part of NATO, this security check is required. This is the same rule for anyone. You could be a natural born Canadian and have a mother living in Ivory Coast... then you'd have to go through extra security check.
Now, I don't want to scare you as this is not my intention at all, but you should be aware that depending on the country your relative lives in, that security check could take between 6 to 18 months to clear out and the reason has nothing to do with Canada rather than with the Embassies to which your file might be sent in regards to that security check. They will actually not check on you for that part of the process rather than on your relatives.

Hope this helps a bit and all I can say is: BE PATIENT!

Alea

Edited for spell check

Barbarossa · « **Reply #27 on:** August 06, 2010, 01:13:56 »

Thank you for you reply. I was given a paper by the recruiter listing all the courses and the security level for each trade. They are numbered 1,2,3 and ER. As he explained to me, he said that level 1 is 3 years verifiable history, level 2 is 5 years, and level 3 is 7 years. He did not mention what ER meant but on the bottom of the paper it says 5 years verifiable history.

Now, I don't know how to say this without sounding disrespectful but I felt like he didn't know all their is about recruiting. Remember I asked him if foreign references were allowed and he said no confidently but he turned out to be wrong. My point is maybe he also messed up on the security level explanations?? Maybe security level 1 simply means 1 year, 2 for 2 years, 3 for 3 years and ER for 5 years? I think this could be possible since I have not read one naturalized applicant complain about the security levels?

Also, should I just go and take a chance and take a 2 year electrical technician course?? I am scared that I will waste more money.

Also about my dad living abroad seems to be an issue with the CF. Maybe if you guys can tell me what the CF is looking for then maybe I can ask my dad to help out with the papers since he is working for the government there and has some connections.

I'm thinking of asking him to retire or to temporarily reside here but I guess that might be a little too selfish on my part.

Alea · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2010, 01:30:25 »

Barbarossa,

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Now, I don't know how to say this without sounding disrespectful but I felt like he didn't know all their is about recruiting. Remember I asked him if foreign references were allowed and he said no confidently but he turned out to be wrong. My point is maybe he also messed up on the security level explanations?? Maybe security level 1 simply means 1 year, 2 for 2 years, 3 for 3 years and ER for 5 years? I think this could be possible since I have not read one naturalized applicant complain about the security levels?

You're not sounding disrespectful... but you do have a lack of confidence and understanding for/in another human being maybe?
Have you thought of that maybe he is new to his job and might not know it all?
The CF is a huge "enterprise" with millions of rules and I take it only someone who has been in it for years and years is close to "know it all".
Have you thought of the fact that besides a recruiter, he is before all a human being and therefor is entitled to make mistakes and be wrong?
Okay, so he did turn around and ask a question to one of his colleague and came back to you with an answer.
I will not speculate on wether he was wrong or right.
If you really are not confident enough with the answers you got at the recruiting center then speak to another recruiter an compare information.

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Also, should I just go and take a chance and take a 2 year electrical technician course?? I am scared that I will waste more money.

You are the only one who can make such a decision. Who are we, on here, to tell you: Get it or don't?
Stop being afraid! If you decide to get this diploma... what could you loose? It is only more experience for yourself no?

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Also about my dad living abroad seems to be an issue with the CF. Maybe if you guys can tell me what the CF is looking for then maybe I can ask my dad to help out with the papers since he is working for the government there and has some connections.

Only the CF can tell you what the CF is looking for and that is if they tell you at all. Security checks are secret. Most of the time, they are secret even for the person who is concerned. If your dad needs some papers, then the CF will make sure he is aware of this.
The fact that he works for another government is irrelevant... I think (and may be wrong).

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I'm thinking of asking him to retire or to temporarily reside here but I guess that might be a little too selfish on my part.

HAN?? Oh well...

Alea

Barbarossa · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2010, 01:48:38 »

Thanks. Yes that's what boggles me. One recruiter is telling me one story and another one is telling me a different story. That is why I posted my situation so you guys can help me figure this out.

Well the thing is if I have to take the 2 year electrical course then that would mean that I have to go full time and less time to make some money even doing menial jobs. I also already have a diploma in Business Admin Accounting and sometimes jobs pop up that I know I am qualified for but they would require me to move to a different city so I would miss out on those opportunities if I commit to school again.

And if I do take and finish the 2 year course, there is no guarantee that I will be accepted into the CF anyway.

Recruiter offered me subsidized education though. He said if I get accepted into the Electrical course, that subject to CF approval and given I pass all their requirements, CF would pay for my education and costs and that would also mean a guaranteed job after graduation. The thing is the trade mentioned is for Navy weapons technician trade and that would be 2 years after I graduate.

This could be a possible route for me but do you think that I can accept this offer now and just ask them if after I graduate that I rather be LCIS than Navy Tech? I think living at sea is

and I like the army's uniform better.

Is that possible? Electrical Technician course is applicable to LCIS anyway.

Alea · « **Reply #30 on:** August 06, 2010, 01:54:57 »

Quote from: Barbarossa on August 06, 2010, 01:48:38

Thanks. Yes that's what boggles me. One recruiter is telling me one story and another one is telling me a different story. That is why I posted my situation so you guys can help me figure this out.

Well the thing is if I have to take the 2 year electrical course then that would mean that I have to go full time and less time to make some money even doing menial jobs. I also already have a diploma in Business Admin Accounting and sometimes jobs pop up that I know I am qualified for but they would require me to move to a different city so I would miss out on those opportunities if I commit to school again.

And if I do take and finish the 2 year course, there is no guarantee that I will be accepted into the CF anyway.

Recruiter offered me subsidized education though. He said if I get accepted into the Electrical course, that subject to CF approval and given I pass all their requirements, CF would pay for my education and costs and that would also mean a guaranteed job after graduation. The thing is the trade mentioned is for Navy weapons technician trade and that would be 2 years after I graduate.

This could be a possible route for me but do you think that I can accept this offer now and just ask them if after I graduate that I rather be LCIS than Navy Tech? I think living at sea is and I like the army's uniform better.

Is that possible? Electrical Technician course is applicable to LCIS anyway.

Barbarossa,

I really can't answer your questions. I suggest you wait for some experienced members to answer this part of your worries.
In the meantime do some search on the forum. You might find some threads that answer your questions.

Alea

OkanaganHeat · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2010, 02:03:12 »

If you are taking an electricians course you may find that this does not match LCIS very well. An electronic technology program would be closer to what you are looking for. The electrical technician would be more in line with the Electrical Distribution Technician or the Electrical Generating Systems Technician trades. With LCIS you are dealing with radios and other communications devices at the board to component level that require a different set of skills than the electrical technician. You may want to check a bit deeper into what the program you are planning to take will easily transfer to.

Barbarossa · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2010, 02:10:20 »

Yes, sorry bout that. I meant Electronics Engineering Technician course not Electrical.

They are both for LCIS and Navy Tech right ?? I wonder if CF can be flexible on this. They subsidized my education for Navy Tech and I would honor it after I graduate but I will ask them if its possible that I be assigned as LCIS Tech instead.

Stacked · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2010, 02:35:52 »

Pretty sure if you sign up in the Navy, and complete a two year diploma, you would be required to serve 2 months in the Navy for every one month of education (Don't quote me on that).

Pusser · « **Reply #34 on:** August 09, 2010, 14:20:42 »

The number level of a security clearance has nothing to do with the number of years they look into your background. The levels go like this:

Level 1 - what we used to call "Confidential" is now the lowest clearance (they will ensure your references are real people)*

Level 2 - what we used to call "Secret" requires a more detailed background check (they will actually talke to your references)*

Level 3 - what we used to call "Top Secret" requires the most detailed background check (they will talk to your references, ask them who else you knew and then talk to them)*

"ER" is "Enhanced Reliability," the lowest form of security check and is not considered a "clearance" (essentially ensures you are who you say you are)* Not sure why you were told that this requires a more extensive background check than Level 1.

*NB I'm being somewhat facetious here. There actually is more to it then this.

All of these things take time and if you've lived outside the country during any period that they need to look into, things will be delayed. Even if you've never lived outside Canada, things can be delayed for any variety of reasons (e.g. if there's another person with a similar name that has been naughty).

Security clearances are determined by occupation and sometimes by specific position, not rank. As Alea said, a logistics officer will normally have a lower clearance (i.e. probably Level 2), while a communications research corporal will have a minimum Level 3.

On another note, do NOT accept enrollment in one occupation with the firm belief that you will be able to transfer later. It is never that simple. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to do. Finally, if you have your heart set on being an LCIS Tech, the closest naval occupation would be Naval Electronics Technician (NET - Communications, Tactical or Acoustic - initially three separate occupations that converge at a higher rank level). A Naval Weapons Technician (NWT) works with weapons systems. In simple terms, the NET works on the guidance systems (computers, radars, etc), while the NWT works on the gun itself. One job is much cleaner than the other, but both require a fairly high level of training /education. The NWT training is concentrated more on ballistics, physics, etc than on electronics.

Barbarossa · « **Reply #35 on:** August 09, 2010, 19:06:40 »

Hey Pusser, are you a recruiter? Just to make sure I understand what you are saying, LCIS tech's do not need require 7 years continous stay in Canada? Cos my recruiter is saying otherwise. How % sure are you about this?

Also, do you recommend I take up a 2 year electronic course? The recruiter said I get promoted to Corporal faster and I get the $20,000 bonus for entering the trade with a diploma. Can comment please?

Thanks !!!

George Wallace · « **Reply #36 on:** August 09, 2010, 19:23:53 »

LCIS Tech is no more special than any other Trade when it comes to meeting the requirements/criteria to join the CF. Please read what those Criteria are (We have a topic or two on them.).

You are not likely to get a Signing Bonus, unless you are already qualified in that Trade, and most often have had previous service in the CF. Do you want to spend two years paying out of your own pocket to get the training that the CF will be giving you anyway?

Oh yes! So as not to rehash things that have been covered in a topic on naturalized Canadians joining the CF, I have merged the topics. Please go to the first post and start reading again.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #37 on:** August 09, 2010, 19:25:41 »

Quote from: Barbarossa on August 06, 2010, 01:13:56

Maybe security level 1 simply means 1 year, 2 for 2 years, 3 for 3 years and ER for 5 years? I think this could be possible since I have not read one naturalized applicant complain about the security levels?

You are flat out wrong. Please stop making stuff up just because you dont like the answer you got from the CFRC.

FYI, when i had my level 3 clearance done, i had to list, in great detail, 20 years worth of information.

George Wallace · « **Reply #38 on:** August 09, 2010, 19:36:50 »

Barbarossa

You can find out everything you need to know about Security Clearances and Checks by reading the topics on SECURITY CLEARANCES and on BACKCHECK.

Barbarossa · « **Reply #39 on:** August 09, 2010, 20:07:18 »

Hi George Wallace,

Yes, I have read this thread before and yes I understand that the CF has to do a backcheck on him and most likely for me too since we are only naturalized Canadians. I went all over the CF forms and there were a couple of criteria's there that if your situation is listed such as being born outside of Canada that they might do a background check on the applicant. I understand that part.

But what I am confused is the recruiter handed me a piece of paper listing all the trades and he explained to me that for each of these trades there are security clearances for it. Specifically for the LCIS tech, it is security level 2 which he said that you must have 7 continuous stay in Canada. I decided to post my own thread because sky777 did not encounter such problems yet and he is applying to a more sensitive position in the CF. Anyway, I've went thru some posts here and some posts affirms that level 2 is indeed 7 years continuous stay while some posts definde level 2 as just checking your references. I'm getting more confused..

Hey Canadian Aviator my good buddy,

Please re-read my posts again. I am not making stuff up and I wrote that sentence in question form. Therefore, I am seeking clarifications instead making a statement.

George Wallace · « **Reply #40 on:** August 09, 2010, 20:23:12 »

Barbarossa

As stated in those other threads that I pointed you to, for a Level II you will require to meet the residency requirements, be fingerprinted, and fill in the TBS 330-60E and the TBS 330-23E. For those forms you are required to list all your immediate family, your and their places of residence/addresses, your and their employment, for the past ten (10) years. If you can not do this, then your Clearance can not be processed.

So. Start right now and find out all the information, for the past ten years, for not only yourself, but all your immediate family.

You can look up what information is required at this site: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/330-60-eng.asp

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #41 on:** August 09, 2010, 20:29:11 »

Quote from: Barbarossa on August 09, 2010, 20:07:18

such as being born outside of Canada that they might do a background check on the applicant.

Background checks are done on all applicants. Additional steps exist for people from out of the country.

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But what I am confused is the recruiter handed me a piece of paper listing all the trades and he explained to me that for each of these trades there are security clearances for it. Specifically for the LCIS tech, it is security level 2 which he said that you must have 7 continuous stay in Canada.

Those are in addition to the basic checks done on all applicants. There are unique requirements for each.

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I decided to post my own thread because sky777 did not encounter such problems yet and he is applying to a more sensitive position in the CF.

Each person's circumstances will differ. Stop worrying about other people.

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Hey Canadian Aviator my good buddy,

I do not know you and am certainly not your "good buddy".

Pusser · « **Reply #42 on:** August 10, 2010, 10:50:05 »

Quote from: Barbarossa on August 09, 2010, 19:06:40

Hey Pusser, are you a recruiter? Just to make sure I understand what you are saying, LCIS tech's do not need require 7 years continous stay in Canada? Cos my recruiter is saying otherwise. How % sure are you about this?

Also, do you recommend I take up a 2 year electronic course? The recruiter said I get promoted to Corporal faster and I get the $20,000 bonus for entering the trade with a diploma. Can comment please?

Thanks !!!

No I am not a recruiter. All I was doing was giving a simple explanation of what Security Clearance Levels mean. I have no idea how long you have to have lived in Canada in order to receive a given level of clearance. As for what education path you choose to pursue, that is entirely up to you. I make no recommendations whatsoever. I just wanted you to know the difference between NETs and NWTs and that what NETs do is more similar to what LCIS techs do than what NWTs do. You need to now hoist in all the information you have received and choose your own path. Just be aware that when it comes to security clearances, there aren't really any shortcuts. You're just going to have to wait.

northernboy_24 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2010, 11:29:37 »

Quote from: Barbarossa on August 09, 2010, 19:06:40

Hey Pusser, are you a recruiter? Just to make sure I understand what you are saying, LCIS tech's do not need require 7 years continous stay in Canada? Cos my recruiter is saying otherwise. How % sure are you about this?

Also, do you recommend I take up a 2 year electronic course? The recruiter said I get promoted to Corporal faster and I get the $20,000 bonus for entering the trade with a diploma. Can comment please?

Thanks !!!

As someone just through the recruiting process and having spent way too much time in school. Get the job and have them pay you for two years. It would be a lot better financially for you over having to pay for school and two years without a paycheck. IF you were to get the signing bonus that is great, but if you don't qualify for some reason, you will spend more than 20000 getting the diploma (tuition, books, food, rent etc). That is just my opinion but try and get the military to pay you to go to school and it works out better for you.

sky777 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 11, 2010, 15:00:30 »

Quote from: George Wallace on August 09, 2010, 20:23:12

As stated in those other threads that I pointed you to, for a Level II you will require to meet the residency requirements, be fingerprinted, and fill in the TBS 330-60E and the TBS 330-23E. For those forms you are required to list all your immediate family, your and their places of residence/addresses, your and their employment, for the past ten (10) years.

I am passing through the same process.
Last 6 months I was giving police certificate from my country of origin, fingerprinted, making picture, interviewed with CSIC worker.I am waiting for my security check .As they say in CFRC it can take 6-18 months.I hope it will be less then 12 months more.

sky777 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 11, 2010, 15:43:58 »

By the way I don't care about time issue.
Guys stop to worry about. Enjoy life what you have now .
If your destiny is in Canadian Forces - you will be there soon or later. Live while you are waiting.

89Sharp · « **Reply #46 on:** August 11, 2010, 19:02:21 »

Barbarossa,

I'm in the process of applying for LCIS also. I've been in the process since June 2. Waited until July 12 for my CFAT/Medical/Interview, and now I'm waiting again.

But take this phrase, and repeat it to yourself everyday...

"Be patient."

I'm not trying to come off as an a**, but patience really is a virtue, and besides, if you want the job as bad as you seem to, then wouldn't the wait be worth it?

Just adding my

And at sky777, same thing man. Just be patient.

You both can use the wait periods to make yourself better. Work out and get into top shape, read up as much info as you can on the Forces and your trade, save up some money and pay off some debt lol. Time will go by a lot faster that way.

Barbarossa · « **Reply #47 on:** August 11, 2010, 19:52:10 »

Hey 89sharp my buddy.

I am not being impatient. I was just confused and needed some clarification for the security clearance. Anyway, I talked to the online recruiter today and he confirmed that yes, it is 7 years of continuous stay for security clearance level 2.

Anyway, RC told me that the LCIS position is full now and they won't be anymore processing for this position. Good luck to you and I hope that your file made it.

89Sharp · « **Reply #48 on:** August 12, 2010, 21:47:58 »

I know it sounds cliche, but just go with your heart man.

Thanks for the good luck wishes, and same to you, in whatever you choose to do.

Barbarossa · « **Reply #49 on:** August 13, 2010, 10:10:45 »

Hey 89sharp my good buddy.

Agreed strongly with you. Thanks for sharing your tips and experiences.

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Author Topic: Recruiting Process of naturalized Canadian (Read 14162 times)