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Well I called clothing stores and gave them the senario about going from army to air force CTing in the next few months.  I was told that I could put the order in and it would take about 2 months to make it all up and that they would probably put a stop on the order because someone would realize I am doing a CT so all in all i was told no it will never happen.

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Well I called clothing stores and gave them the senario about going from army to air force CTing in the next few months.  I was told that I could put the order in and it would take about 2 months to make it all up and that they would probably put a stop on the order because someone would realize I am doing a CT so all in all i was told no it will never happen.

Honestly - what they told you was bullshit. Plain & simple.

You ARE entitled to your DEUs NOW. They can not refuse to order your initial issue NOW. There is NO CEASING of your entitlement simply because you may CT in the future. NONE. All they have to do is measure you and send the demand to Logistik-Unicorp (that involves ONE email with all your sizes onto it). Once Logistik-Unicorp has that email demand ... your uniform is shipped within 5 DAYS by them to clothing stores. FROM EXPERIENCE, it usually takes 5 or 6 working days for us to receive your initial issue from Logistik - that's 5 or 6 working days starting from when we order it. NOT 2 months.

They then have up to 10 working days after that to sew on your badges/rank etc.

Someone fed you a line of bullshit. Pure bullshit. I hope you remember their name; call them back and ask for the supervisor's name and number.

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Someone fed you a line of bullshit. Pure bullshit. I hope you remember their name; call them back and ask for the supervisor's name and number.

And then we will sic Vern on them...........

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So called stores again this morning, asked them how long it would take, they told me a better story of about 10 days.  I asked them about the CT and the fact that I have put it in and am waiting for my offer and was told my transfer would be 1 July 10 or 1 Sept 10, the Cpl asked me why I would want my DEU's for army and I told him because I am entitled to them and there is no other reason.  And that Is true I want them to have them is all.  He then got his PO on the phone and the PO asked me to email him with my information along with the reason of why i wanted the DEU's and he would let me know if my request would be granted.

Now I think that I am going to give myself a bad name in the system for asking for the stuff cause I am entiteled to have them instead of having a good reason.

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Why do you feel that you must waste taxpayers money providing you with a uniform that you will never EVER wear?

You think they are cheap?

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Why do you feel that you must waste taxpayers money providing you with a uniform that you will never EVER wear?

You think they are cheap?

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Its not a matter of being cheap, and the crack about wasting taxpayers money is undeserved. Who says he will never wear it? It may be one day within the next few months he may be required to wear DEU. This soldier is doing his duty.
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Respectfully Mid Aged Silverback, my question wasn't meant as a "crack" and is a legitimate question.

Certainly we as soldiers are required to wear our DEU uniforms in order to conduct certain duties. However the fact is many a reservist can conduct his duties without them (or at least up until they are finally issued). Armyvern has mentioned why this occurs (earlier in this thread). Clearly this is a cost savings issue as she mentions a lot of money is saved.

At the same token we are also trained to be responsible soldiers and not waste things.  If he is truly in need of his uniform (IE a parade coming up in 2-4 weeks time (I know about my parades well in advance)): He can order them in, and if need be on rush order. But if he doesn't need it (which is more likely the case and I have not heard otherwise yet), then why issue simply because "he is entitled" when he is fully aware of a component transfer to a different element. Ergo, he will not use it, and is expending resources with no clear benefit.

My opinion on this matter.

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So, what if he isn't going to use say, his rucksack in the next few months?  Or...ICE bib pants?   Heck he is CT'ing so...lets just deny him any Class A wages in these tight $$ times. 

When I was PRes, if you were entitled to something, in my troop you were expected to have it, because in my opinion, the Powers That Be only gave you the entitlement if you needed it or were likely going to use it. 

While I see your point (to a limited point, WRT to the "'cause I just want it" comments), its an entitlement and who knows, maybe he/she won't get the CT for some time.  Also, as he/she is a MSE Op, if I was his/her boss, I'd want ALL of my folks to have DEU.  "Anticipation of future tasks", those are the folks that drive staff cars and their occupants around.

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I was Reg Force for many years, and it cranked me up to no end when people would deny Reservists their kit, "because they are Reservists". Its on the scale of issue for a reason.
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I was Reg Force for many years, and it cranked me up to no end when people would deny Reservists their kit, "because they are Reservists". Its on the scale of issue for a reason.

That still happens, but much less so than in the past.  Usually a phone call to the local supply MWO gets it sorted out.
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That still happens, but much less so than in the past.  Usually a phone call to the local supply MWO gets it sorted out.

Especially if that MWO was ArmyVern I'm thinking.
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Respectfully Mid Aged Silverback, my question wasn't meant as a "crack" and is a legitimate question.

Certainly we as soldiers are required to wear our DEU uniforms in order to conduct certain duties. However the fact is many a reservist can conduct his duties without them (or at least up until they are finally issued). Armyvern has mentioned why this occurs (earlier in this thread). Clearly this is a cost savings issue as she mentions a lot of money is saved.

At the same token we are also trained to be responsible soldiers and not waste things.  If he is truly in need of his uniform (IE a parade coming up in 2-4 weeks time (I know about my parades well in advance)): He can order them in, and if need be on rush order. But if he doesn't need it (which is more likely the case and I have not heard otherwise yet), then why issue simply because "he is entitled" when he is fully aware of a component transfer to a different element. Ergo, he will not use it, and is expending resources with no clear benefit.

My opinion on this matter.

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This soldier is QL3 qual'd OR has completed one year of service; therefore, he IS ENTITLED to his uniform now. The Army "saved" it's money via it's very own cost-cutting measure by "making soldiers of the Land reserve Force wait 1 full year or until 3s qual'd" to receive it, finally, in the first place! The CF has already saved itself LOTS of bucks on DEUs via offloading that "cost-saving" onto the back of Land Force reserve members. No one else is subject to such differential treatment or delay of their entitlement. he's already "done his part" in the grandscheme of "cost-savings".

This soldier has already been precluded from parading in DEU, participating in formal functions with his peers/Unit  for a full year delay because of this policy. That is NOT good for morale. He has EARNED his uniform just as someone "earns" their capbadge.

Nor is the recommendation that this soldier NOT ask for his uniform under some presumtion that he won't use it, or that it will save money.

NEVER would I suggest that the CF save money by keeping YOU from having something that you are entitled to. He is entitled to his uniform and it really is that simple.

As for his CT - he has NO CT offer. He has NO CT message. He has NO guarantee that he will even BE CT'd at any date let alone in July or August. Especially so given the RegF recruiting/intake freeze. What he has is heresay ... it's all just talk until he's got the offer and message in-hand.

He IS entitled to his uniform - sans delay. Period.

His is a totally different situation from a soldier who has CT message in hand with a CT-date - who is guaranteed not to be in the DEU in the future. And, even in that case - there is not a SINGLE supply regulation that ceases that members entitlement to his initial issue of DEU prior to that date occuring; not a one.

There is ONE supply regulation that precludes us from having to purchase LPOd or custom footwear for any member with less than 6 months remaining to serve IN THE CF, but that's it. If that pers needing custom combat boots is CTing to a blue trade, or navy ... we STILL need to buy those custom boots that he'll wear for 6 months.

As for him thinking that he's making a bad name for himself ... it's not him who's the bad name here; it's the sup techs that are failing to DO THEIR JOBS in this situation.  That pisses me off entirely. The kid is now afraid to insist that he get what he is entitled to, that which will permit him to participate in all areas of unit functions or activities as a full member alongside his peers, because some sup tech is spouting bullshit --- all based upon a CT that may/may not even happen.

Next step: have your supervisor contact the supervisor of the Sgt Sup tech.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2010, 16:17:38 by ArmyVern »
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Ahhhhh davidson, just noticed where you are located; it's not you. Check out his profile Mid-aged Silverback ...

Sounds like SNAFU for army pers.

PMing you with my DIN email addy ... will advise from there.
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Ahhhhh davidson, just noticed where you are located; it's not you. Check out his profile Mid-aged Silverback ...

Sounds like SNAFU for army pers.

PMing you with my DIN email addy ... will advise from there.
Why am I not suprised. Vern, get out here and sort these f***ers out. Please.
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