Topic: Hey look, another one...

[mellian]

A Sergeant is not the final authority.  A Doctor would be.  That is why someone (a Doctor) in Ottawa is making a decision.

Yes, and they made decision on information they did not have because there was no policy to tell the Sergeant what to ask of me. Hence, me providing that information now in January instead of back in September for that Doctor to make a decision with.

Provide what they want, jump through the hoops and quit bitchin' about all the way through.

Yes sir.

[Hull.Down]

One thing that sucks with the CF is the amount of information that's clear and the amount of information that's available publicly.

For example, there's a 50+ page debate on the use of CF uniforms on these boards just because no one has bothered to clearly outline the policy and procedure on a public outlet.

I think the CF should add as much as they can to the web and have it accessible to the public like our comrades to the south.

If I wanted to find out how the U.S. military promotion system worked with T.I.G., education points, duty points, etc etc etc I could find the approximate date of promotion for an individual in that military. I could also find out how many squares of toilet paper you are issued depending on your ***hole size. Hell, I could even find out how many hot sauce packets you would get in a MRE.

If I want to find what jobs are available in the CF, what jobs are in demand, and what jobs had signing bonuses I would be **** out of luck. If I wanted to find out what the levels were in the CF shuttle run was you would be told by CFRC that they have no idea or you would be told online "you'll find out when you do the shuttle run".


Someone needs to increase the amount of information from the CF by tenfold and make it available easily to the public.

Mellian's case is just another case in point.

[Loachman]

Someone needs to increase the amount of information from the CF by tenfold and make it available easily to the public.

Someone, then, needs to pay for it.

Putting stuff online and keeping it current takes time, effort, and money, and there is little enough of that as it is.

Whoever they hire to do it could quite likely be the guy that they hire instead of you.

Mellian's case is just another case in point.

No, it isn't.

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I got through the recruiting process fine back as a naive 17 year old when the internet and all it's information was just a gleam in somebody's eye.

Anyone else?                       Yup, that's what I thought, a cast of thousands, man we must have been good.

[Otis]

man we must have been good.

Or maybe less used to having information handed to us on a platter?

[CDN Aviator]

One thing that sucks with the CF is .........

The number of people with 6 minutes or less in the service who think and act like they know it all.

[SupersonicMax]

Putting stuff online and keeping it current takes time, effort, and money, and there is little enough of that as it is.

Well, considering they already keep stuff up to date on the DIN side of things, I don't see how much harder it would be to make the same regs/docs available on the Internet. 

Mind you, it's sometimes hard to find updated stuff on the DIN...

[CDN Aviator]

Well, considering they already keep stuff up to date on the DIN side of things,

lmfao.....theres more broken links and outdated pages on the DIN thatn on the entire internet. crap, its even worse on AFCCIS.

[SupersonicMax]

lmfao.....theres more broken links and outdated pages on the DIN thatn on the entire internet.

Hence the second part of my comment. 

crap, its even worse on AFCCIS.

CSNI you mean?

[CDN Aviator]

CSNI you mean?

Sorry, i cant keep up with the changes anymore. I still live in a world where O groups were done face to face and when you wanted to read routine orders, you looked for a flip file on a wall somehwere.

...and the sticker on my computer still says AFCCIS

[Occam]

CSNI you mean?

Not all the Wings are migrated yet, although I'm pretty sure CDN Aviator's is completed.  We can only break things so quickly.   

[mellian]

Gathered the information and dropped at medical a hour ago. I may get a call from them tomorrow, or me call to confirm, and then ship it off to Ottawa. Another 5+ weeks begins...

[Loachman]

Good luck.

[mellian]

Thank you! I really hope they accept the information. As I told the recruiter whom I filed my application originally with, I do not want to cause any trouble, just to be considered fairly.

[mellian]

Wow, I got an email from Chief Military Personnel in response to an inquiry I made several months ago. It provided clarification on the CEMS and how it is applicable to my circumstances. Still case by case, but way more confident that I will make the CEMS...which I am like 2 weeks ongoing since submitting latest info. They also confirmed that a general standard policy is in the works.

[mellian]

I went to the CFRC last week to update my address as I moved for the fourth time in two years, and also got an update. Ottawa received the latest info I sent, and now I am waiting for their response. By that point, it will be April or later.

A long with moving, got selected into my league's A travel team and played my three first official bouts this past weekend, helping win against Connecticut, DC, and Suburbia (somewhere new york).  The DC game was at a National Guard armory which was huge, even bigger than the hangar the air cadets was in when I was in it. It is awesome some derby leagues in the states I have arrangements to use military space. It was also the first derby game I played in that required metal detectors, lol. So yes, Montreal is leading the way for roller derby in Canada showing now only can we win the after party dance offs, but win bouts as well.

Only mention of roller derby with the CF is the Winnipeg league using some pace at a base there, and my posts on milnet. :p

The waiting continues...

[mellian]

Two CF-18s doing low flybys above downtown Montreal due the St-Patrick parade = tres awesome. Just saying.

[mellian]

I got a response from the RMO in Ottawa. In summary, we ignore everything you provided, including letters from Doctors more qualified than us on the issue and your legal status, and not approving until our archaic requirement, that is not stated in the medical standard or in any policy, is fulfilled. This is the same Major MD that responded last time. On top of that, he still does not explain why or how it is a medical limitation without fulfilling the requirement which as no effect on my performance apart from risking it in attempt to fulfill that requirement...and possibly of old age. They say I pass everything else medical wise, so how is this an issue?

Since this particular individual Major MD (as I am not blaming the CF for this) will not budge and there is no way presently to directly get in contact with them (apart from 5+ weeks turnaround), I will appeal and get someone else(s) to review as this not just medical concern. 

Present plan is to go to CFRC today, possibly talk with Medical and whoever about the next steps. Also will contact the CF ombudsman.

I hate this.

[PMedMoe]

I got a response from the RMO in Ottawa. In summary, we ignore everything you provided, including letters from Doctors more qualified than us on the issue and your legal status, and not approving until our archaic requirement, that is not stated in the medical standard or in any policy, is fulfilled. This is the same Major MD that responded last time. On top of that, he still does not explain why or how it is a medical limitation without fulfilling the requirement which as no effect on my performance apart from risking it in attempt to fulfill that requirement...and possibly of old age. They say I pass everything else medical wise, so how is this an issue?

Since this particular individual Major MD (as I am not blaming the CF for this) will not budge and there is no way presently to directly get in contact with them (apart from 5+ weeks turnaround), I will appeal and get someone else(s) to review as this not just medical concern. 

Present plan is to go to CFRC today, possibly talk with Medical and whoever about the next steps. Also will contact the CF ombudsman.

I hate this.

No offense, but what did you expect?  Just because it's not specifically stated in the standards or policy, doesn't mean it's not an issue.  Just one they never thought of when the standard/policy was written.  As I said before, if you're physically one gender, how can you legally be another?

[Technoviking]

Is that what this is about?  A chick wanting to be a dude, or vice versa? 
(My dogs makes purring sounds at times and is smaller than my cat.  Does this mean I have two cats?)

I thought maybe this had something to do with a medical condition that had passed, but the system was slow in recognising that fact...

[mellian]

No offense, but what did you expect?  Just because it's not specifically stated in the standards or policy, doesn't mean it's not an issue.  Just one they never thought of when the standard/policy was written.  As I said before, if you're physically one gender, how can you legally be another?

If one is physically both, how can one legally be both? Bureaucratic solution: assign one until they prove otherwise.

I proved otherwise, my birth province granted the legal change, and now that legal change permeates everything that is legal, and thus far never been an issue. This covers any "human resource and logistics management for military training, operations and workplace personnel issues", including the fact I act, walk, talk, and live as such since I was a teenager to the point that if I did not reveal my entire medical history as required I could quite possibly be set for BMQ by now (yet probably get in trouble later at a more in-depth medical check up).

Beyond that, just the fact CF allow women to apply for all positions in the CF proves what one has between the legs is a non-issue. So if I am legally female, then how is that any different?

[PMedMoe]

If one is physically both, how can one legally be both? Bureaucratic solution: assign one until they prove otherwise.

I proved otherwise, my birth province granted the legal change, and now that legal change permeates everything that is legal, and thus far never been an issue. This covers any "human resource and logistics management for military training, operations and workplace personnel issues", including the fact I act, walk, talk, and live as such since I was a teenager to the point that if I did not reveal my entire medical history as required I could quite possibly be set for BMQ by now (yet probably get in trouble later at a more in-depth medical check up).

Beyond that, just the fact CF allow women to apply for all positions in the CF proves what one has between the legs is a non-issue. So if I am legally female, then how is that any different?

Being born both genders is one thing, being in the midst of changing is quite another.

IMHO, the legal part is not the issue. I suspect they're more concerned about the psychological issues, both for you and other recruits.  If they enrolled you as female, yet you have male physical "traits", where will you shower, use the bathroom, etc??  Unfortunately, as far as the CF goes, there are only two genders.  No in betweens.

[Technoviking]

If one is physically both, how can one legally be both?

I know this is going to get me banned, but....

XX and XY chromosomes?

Beyond that, just the fact CF allow women to apply for all positions in the CF proves what one has between the legs is a non-issue.

Oh, but it is.  There are varying physical fitness standards, with age and gender being variables for what standard you need to achieve.  And there are "male" accomodations and "female" accomodations.  And different dress standards.  The list goes on.

[mellian]

Being born both genders is one thing, being in the midst of changing is quite another.

IMHO, the legal part is not the issue. I suspect they're more concerned about the psychological issues, both for you and other recruits.  If they enrolled you as female, yet you have male physical "traits", where will you shower, use the bathroom, etc??  Unfortunately, as far as the CF goes, there are only two genders.  No in betweens.

At present, I no different from an intersex, as "I am not in the midst of changing gender" as I already have many years ago. As I mentioned, I provided letters from doctors as requested stating it is not a mental limitation, and that has been ignored despite Medical requesting them. I am part of a roller derby league and teams full of women whom I share change rooms, bathrooms. and showers with, it has never been an issue. Legal sex states which I use. I am female, legally and living, one gender. There is no in betweens.

[mellian]

I know this is going to get me banned, but....

XX and XY chromosomes?

I don't know, as I never been tested. Keep in mind that there is a lot of women and men with varying sexual chromosomes like XXY, XXX, XYY, etc including women with XY and men XX from birth. Olympics learn this lesson years ago hence why they dropped the genetic chromosome testing. It is not as clear cut as you think, and if the CF did genetic chromosome testing of every single serving member, they will see that.

Oh, but it is.  There are varying physical fitness standards, with age and gender being variables for what standard you need to achieve.  And there are "male" accomodations and "female" accomodations.  And different dress standards.  The list goes on.

Since I am legally female and live as female, I use female accomodations, dress standards, and fitness standards. Again, non-issue.

If we ignore the legal aspect, I would still do female fitness standards as I do not produce enough testosterone and I have no for almost a decade to have any male physical advantage.