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Things are getting complicated:

All eyes on Kosovo, but Bosnia can prove greater threat to Balkan stability
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/09/europe/EU-GEN-EU-Bosnia.php

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As the West tries to solve the future of Serbia's breakaway province of Kosovo, another related, and perhaps more dangerous threat to European security is lurking in the background — a possible disintegration of Bosnia, officials and analysts warn.

The ethnically divided country is in turmoil, with Bosnian Serbs protesting reforms proposed by the top international administrator to boost the power of central institutions.

The Serbs, who control half of Bosnia, are hinting they may try to split the former Yugoslav republic in two if Kosovo is allowed to secede from Serbia. It was a similar Serbian breakup bid in the 1990s that triggered the worst bloodshed in Europe since World War II.

Diplomats fear that EU support for Kosovo secession may add to Balkan instability, prodding the Bosnian Serb Republic's prime minister, Miroslav Dodik, to press for independence of the Serb-controlled mini state in Bosnia...

While in Bosnia itself:

Fundamentalist Islam Finds Fertile Ground in Bosnia
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,516214,00.html

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The Dayton Peace Accords called for the removal of foreign combatants from Bosnia after the Balkans war. But hundreds of mujahedeen fighters stayed, and today they are successfully spreading their fundamentalist Islamist views...

Wahhabism is quickly gaining ground in the country, with polls showing that 13 percent of Bosnian Muslims support the conservative Sunni Islam reform movement. The movement is financed primarily by Saudi Arabian backers, who have invested well over a half-billion euros in Bosnia's development -- especially in the construction of over 150 mosques. The 8,187 square meter (88,124 square foot) King Fahd Mosque in Sarajevo alone cost €20 million ($29 million), and it's also where radicals go to pray...

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 15:54:54 »
Sorry,the modern version of the Pomeranian grenadiers (Bundeswehr)
are not interested.Fortified vacation camp in A-stan,and Mediterranean
cruises off the coast of Lebanon are quite enough, thank you.Have you
thought of asking the Americans?.
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« Last Edit: November 09, 2007, 15:57:56 by time expired »
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 16:59:26 »
time expired:  Well there might be some Pomeranians with 235 Germans now in Bosnia:
http://www.euforbih.org/eufor/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=145&Itemid=62

Plus amongst the over 2,000 in Kosovo:
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL02234114

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 20:53:13 »
MarkOttawa
                True enough ,but I would not depend on them participating
if the lead begins to fly.My opinion is based on my day to day observation
of the political debate here in Germany concerning any deployment of
troops.I am afraid the days of Bismarck's Pomeranian Grenadiers,are for
better or worse, over.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 23:57:56 »
Lotsa recent rumblings in the last week or so, indeed.....

"Among the greatest risks is that Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian majority will declare unilateral independence next month from Serbia, prompting Bosnian Serbs to hold a referendum on independence for their half of Bosnia, known as the Serb Republic.  The Serb Republic’s secession, and the reaction of the Muslim-Croat federation, which comprises the other half of Bosnia’s territory, would be especially dangerous because of the growth of privately held arms caches, diplomats said."

"As many as 10,000 Bosnian Serbs gathered on 29 October across Bosnia's Republika Srpska entity to protest a recent decision by the international community that in some parts of the country is seen as much-needed reform, but here is seen as another attempt to strengthen state institutions at the expense of Bosnian Serb autonomy."

"Croatian President Stjepan Mesić has weighed in on the ongoing crisis in Bosnia ....  A week into the political turmoil caused by reactions from Banja Luka and Belgrade to High Representative Miroslav Lajčak's latest measures, Mesić told Croatian Radio that the Republic of Srpska (RS) leadership wished to see disintegration of Bosnia-Herzegovina."

"Bosnian Prime Minister Nikola Spiric resigned Thursday in protest at an international envoy's decision to impose EU-backed reforms, deepening the country's worst post-war political crisis.  "I have submitted my resignation to Bosnia's presidency," Spiric, an ethnic Serb, told journalists.  Spiric said he was forced to make the move because of changes introduced last month by Miroslav Lajcak, the international community's High Representative to Bosnia.  The envoy's measures, aimed at improving the efficiency of Bosnia's central government, provoked outrage among Serb leaders, who said they would diminish their influence at the federal level and allow for Muslim domination."
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2007, 08:07:02 »
This is a European problem and one of the Eurogroups (EU, Council of Europe, etc) should be willing and able to step in and resolve it.

If, as I suspect it will, NATO fails in Afghanistan then it may need to take on the Balkans in order to be relevant to anyone for anthing. The advantage of withdrawal to the Balkans is that the Eurotrash can ask the North Americans to do the heavy lifting* while they criticize from the safe sidelines.


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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2007, 10:14:04 »
Looks like teething problems to me.  European Nations who didn't traditionally partake in UN Peacekeeping in the past are now deploying out of the safety of their homelands and taking on the roles of peacekeeper/peacemaker.

Perhaps this will be the "Make or Break" of the EU desire to create and maintain a Euro Corps?  Will they be strong enough and coordinated enough to maintain the peace in their own corner of the world, so that they can venture out and assist in other parts of the world.?  Changing times.  New and inexperienced players entering the game.  How else will they learn the ropes?
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 10:30:32 »
I wonder why we didnt remove the very saudi looking "citizens" from places like czin (spelling)when we were there.It was also common knowledge that the huge mosque in sarajevo had extreme literature for sale by its front gate.

Everyone I talked to about Bosnia agreed it would slip back when we left,and it sure looks that way.At least Croatia got their stuff together.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2007, 10:38:44 »
The advantage of withdrawal to the Balkans is that the Eurotrash can ask the North Americans to do the heavy lifting* while they criticize from the safe sidelines.

Canadian national caveats, anyone?   ;)

Maybe that's Ruxted-worthy - what should CAN do if (or when) Kosovo/Bosnia/Serbia blow up?

I wonder why we didnt remove the very saudi looking "citizens" from places like czin (spelling)when we were there.It was also common knowledge that the huge mosque in sarajevo had extreme literature for sale by its front gate.

It sounds like they're trying, but given that many are now Bosnian citizens, and an-already tinderbox environment in Bosnia from OTHER issues begging for one more disgruntled group (one with proven mayhem-making skill sets) to tip it into madness (again), it may not be so easy to turf 'em.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2007, 10:43:09 »
For once, let Europe move its own latrines.  If Europe can't manage this crisis, it will be fair to essentially ignore European criticism of other interventions in future.  The entry price of criticizing foreign interventionism is the will and ability to do so oneself on occasion.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2007, 14:50:19 »
time expired: Quite.  My use of "peacekeepers" in the title was a tad ironic, even sarcastic.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2007, 09:33:41 »
Kosovo's prime minister threatens UDI:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010866

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The Kosovo status process is reaching its natural conclusion. The present negotiations come to their appointed end on Dec. 10. This will create the atmosphere for a positive and collaborative declaration of independence and prompt recognition by the international community...

Kosovo alone will declare its independence, but in an atmosphere of international satisfaction that serious negotiations have been taken as far as possible, and of a clear commitment from Kosovo to reconciliation and regional stability. This will be a very multilateral independence.
 

Russians (and Serbs) are not happy at the prospect:
http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1195050721.76

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The international community should allow Serbia and Kosovo to reach a solution on the Serbian province's status by themselves without setting a date for an end to negotiations, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said here Wednesday.

"We have to understand clearly that the two sides alone have to come to a solution," Lavrov told a joint news conference with his Slovenian counterpart Dimitrij Rupel.

He added that current Kosovo negotiations under the helm of the international troika of EU, Russian and US mediators "have set the foundations for reaching a negotiatied solution without prejudging the result or setting a date for the conclusion of negotiations."

Lavrov warned that it would be counter-productive to back the Kosovo Albanian majority's plan to declare independence unilaterally if current negotiations fail to produce a result by December 10, a date fixed by the troika for ending talks...

He added that if the ethnic Albanian majority declared the province's independence, that would not only "affect Kosovo but also parts of Serbia and the Balkans as a whole." [emphasis added, think Bosnia]..

What a mess.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2007, 10:11:03 »
Kosovo's prime minister threatens UDI:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010866
 

Russians (and Serbs) are not happy at the prospect:
http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1195050721.76

What a mess.

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Oh, goody!

Let's have the French and Germans and Russians sort this one out. They made the original mess.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2007, 10:26:15 »
MarkOttawa
                True enough ,but I would not depend on them participating
if the lead begins to fly.My opinion is based on my day to day observation
of the political debate here in Germany concerning any deployment of
troops.I am afraid the days of Bismarck's Pomeranian Grenadiers,are for
better or worse, over.
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During the entry into Kosovo in 1999, the Germans were aggressive and quickly dominated their AOR.  Don't underestimate their reaction to a territory such as Kosovo which could easily become sympathetic (more sympathetic?) to radical Islamic elements who would love a secure launching point in Europe for operations against European nations.  Added to this, it is open source knowledge that Kosovo is a major transhipment point for Heroin coming from SE Asia into European markets. We have to keep in mind that the Kosovar view is that the UCK liberated Kosovo with the help of NATO, but also remember that the UCK was listed as a terrorist organization prior to the 1999 NATO offenxive.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2007, 11:07:54 »
Whats in it for Canada?  Kosovo and Bosnia have practically no meaning for us.  We have not been attacked by the UCK or the MUP, here in Canada and we don't share a border with either of them.

There is for all intents and purposes no danger of an ideologically driven fanatical group rising up in either one of those enclaves to strike out at the world.  Bosnian Muslims are not cut from the same cloth as some Middle-eastern ones as the failed attempts of the Mujahadeen to stir up fundamentalism during the Balkans war proved.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2007, 12:42:42 »
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We've got no dog in this fight, North America should sit back and watch, no matter how ugly it gets.

I agree.

It is time for Europe, broadly, to stand up for itself. This is a serious problem within Europe and big, rich, sophisticated Europe must be up to the challenge or it must collapse into a pile of stinky brown stuff.

There is no reason for anyone in North America to do anthing except shake their heads in dismay and, maybe, smile behind their hands.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2007, 13:44:14 »
I recently had the honour of serving in the Muslim part of Bosnia (Una Sana Kanton). The Wahabi influence is over-stated. Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) are smart people, they'll take money from whoever is willing to give to them. The B Serbs use the threat of Wahabis to foment their political base. When they get stirred up, well, it stirs up the Bosniaks as well. The situation in Kosovo is not helping. It's ALL politics and IMHO, the politicians are to blame ENTIRELY.

Two anecdotes:

1) In the town I was working (Bihac), a Saudi Prince commissioned a $1 million madrassa and mosque. He sent over the plans and the cash - it was to be built to exact specifications. He came for the grand opening some time later. He was quite happy, but asked the locals who built it- "Where's the second floor?" The Bosnian contractors (all Muslims) had managed to siphon off a whole floor's worth of money... Moral:The religion isn't important for them, it's about the $ and feeding their families.

2) EVERY SINGLE person I spoke to felt that if peacekeepers left, war would break out. Having EUFOR there is good - but they do not trust the Europeans. They actually (in my area) trust Canadians a great deal. There are hard feelings against the Dutch, Germans, French, etc, but not the Canadians. They trust us and feel that we don't have any bias, precisely because we're from so far away.

Anyways... my two cents... I grew to love that country and it's people. I'd go back in a heartbeat if it would prevent another war.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2007, 15:19:20 »
Maybe but i remember a small village around Travnik were you could virtually think of you're self as being in A'stan (burka and all) and if i recall we arested one guy which passport wasn't Bosnian (think more Iranian ) that wasn't really please with our presence overthere,and when the Brits search is house they've found some cool ( and dangerous ) stuff , that village is not far from the babanovatch ski station which is really nice. and Yes some of them are in it for the money and families but remember that Bihac is not home for radicalism but some part of bosnia is

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2007, 10:38:37 »
Kosovo UDI Dec. 10?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cc980382-95d8-11dc-b7ec-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

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Former guerilla leader Hashim Thaci claimed victory in Kosovo’s parliamentary elections at the weekend and said that he would declare independence “immediately” after December 10, when internationally mediated talks on the province’s future status are set to conclude...

“Immediately after December 10, Kosovo’s institutions will declare the independence of Kosovo,” he said in his victory speech a few hours after polls closed...

The US and most European Union member states say independence under EU-led supervision would be the best way to stabilise the whole troubled West Balkan region. But Serbia’s ally, Russia, blocked the detailed pro-independence transition plan at the UN Security Council earlier this year, shaking Kosovo Albanian leaders’ confidence about waiting for the international community to resolve the status question...

The bigger picture:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2212854,00.html

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At the heart of the gathering crisis is the future status of Kosovo. The military intervention there in his first term is widely seen as Tony Blair's 'good' war - as against his 'bad' one in Iraq. The West acted to save persecuted Muslims. There was no dodgy dossier or mention of weapons of mass destruction. There was no oil at stake. Though there are these obvious differences, there is also a common lesson from Kosovo and Iraq. Wars are much easier to win than the peace. Intervention can be effective - as it was in Kosovo - in preventing the slaughter of civilians. Military action can remove dictators, as that conflict helped to trigger the removal of Slobodan Milosevic. But once a war is over, it is politics that has to deliver an enduring settlement.

Eight years after Nato drove out the Serbian forces, the future of Kosovo is still contested. Europe has a massive stake in getting this right. Apart from the threat of renewed conflict, most of the overland drug and people trafficking routes go through the Balkans. Islamist terrorism is another reason for anxiety. The Balkans have been a training ground for jihadists. The European Union's long-term plan is to extend membership to all the ex-Yugoslav states, binding them into democracy, the rule of law and prosperity. Failure to peacefully resolve the future of Kosovo could be catastrophic and yet it is hard to see how success can be achieved.

The Kosovo Albanians - the vast majority of the province - want independence from Serbia. The most that Belgrade says it can tolerate is a loose autonomy. Europe, for all its pretensions to speak with one clear voice to the world, is divided. Greece and Spain have been wary of the idea of Kosovo becoming Europe's newest state. Madrid does not like to give encouragement to its own Basque secessionists. Greece is agitated about Macedonia. Britain and France and most of the rest of Europe favour an independent Kosovo under the novel concept of EU supervision designed to guarantee good behaviour towards its minorities.

Adding both complexity and peril, the future of Kosovo is entangled in the new Cold War between Washington and Moscow. America backs independence. Russia, traditional ally of the Serbs, is against. There was an attempt to come to a settlement earlier this year. It foundered when Russia declared that it would use its veto on the UN Security Council to prevent conditional independence for Kosovo.

Time is now very short. The mandate for the EU's peacekeeping force in Bosnia expires this week and it is contested whether it can legally continue if the Russians wield their veto. There is a 10 December deadline for agreement in Kosovo. It is almost universally expected there won't be any agreement. Then the really scary stuff threatens to start happening.

The Kosovans are talking about making a unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia. That could set off an explosive chain reaction throughout the western Balkans as the Serb minority in Kosovo revolts and the government in Belgrade backs a breakaway by the Serbs in Bosnia. I don't like to predict the worst, but there is good reason to be fearful in a region seething with nationalist rivalries and ethnic hatreds and where thousands keep Kalashnikovs in their cupboards. One of the starkest warnings has come from the commander of the EU forces in Bosnia. He has talked about the need for Europe to be able to intervene militarily 'in the event of another outbreak of war' [emphasis added]...

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 16:17:36 »
German views:

'Peace in Kosovo Was Never More than a Ceasefire'
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,518186,00.html

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Former guerilla leader Hashim Thaci has won elections in Kosovo and says he intends to declare independence by December. German commentators say that could mean that war is on the horizon.

The initial results indicate that the PDK won 34 percent of the vote, eclipsing the moderate League of Democratic Kosovo (LDK) which only won 22 percent of the vote.

Ethnic Serbs, who make up 10 percent of the province's 1.5 million inhabitants, boycotted the elections [emphasis added], but turnout overall was alarmingly low at just 45 percent. Doris Pack, a member of the Council of Europe's election monitoring team, said it was a reflection of people's "profound dissatisfaction." "People in Kosovo are really fed up with their political situation," she told Reuters...

Thaci has said that he would declare independence from Serbia after Dec. 10, the date on which international mediators are due to report to the United Nations on their efforts to resolve the province's final status. "With our victory today begins the new century," Thaci told cheering supporters on Sunday. "We showed that Kosovo is ready to move forward towards freedom and independence."

Since 1999 Kosovo has been under UN control and Serbia has offered broad autonomy to the region but the Kosovo Albanians say they will accept nothing less than independence. European politicians urged Kosovo not to rush to declare independence in the light of the PDK victory...

German commentators on Monday are pessimistic about Kosovo's future and many newspapers predict that violence will once again flare up in the region...

Conservative daily Die Welt writes.

"The elections do not mark the end of the Kosovo crisis, rather they mark the way towards difficult conflicts, which could become violent. The consequences will not be confined to the Balkans."..

"If the north of Kosovo, which is mostly inhabited by Serbs, splits off from Kosovo and rushes into the open arms of Serbia, then the forces will be unleashed that showed their strength during the wars that marked the break up of Yugoslavia from 1991 and which could only been subdued from the outside -- with force."

"Is the EU and NATO ready for this? And where will the frontlines form? Firstly the Republika Srpska will break away from Bosnia-Herzevognia. The Europeans are involved there as they are in Kosovo -- in order to preserve a peace that was never anything more than a ceasefire."

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2007, 04:26:25 »
A bit more news to throw into the mix on the UN extending EUFOR's mandate...

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Security Council extends EU Force in Bosnia and Herzegovina for another year
UN News Centre, 21 Nov 07
Article linik - UN Security Council news release

The Security Council today extended for another year the mandate of the European Union Stabilization Force (EUFOR) tasked with ensuring continued compliance with the 1995 Dayton Peace Agreement ending the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The European Union has assumed responsibility for the peacekeeping operation since 2004 when it took over from the NATO-led stabilization force (SFOR).

As it unanimously adopted resolution 1785, the Council also authorized the continued presence of a NATO headquarters through which the bloc assists in the implementation of the Dayton Agreement in conjunction with EUFOR.

In addition, the 15-member body authorized Member States to take all measures to defend the EUFOR and NATO presence and to assist both organizations in carrying out their missions. It also recognized the right of both EUFOR and the NATO presence to defend themselves from attack or threat of attack ....

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After roughly 15 years of neglect, Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) politicians and the country's Islamic community, each for its own reasons, have nearly simultaneously adopted a harsher approach toward former Islamic fighters who fought on the Bosnian side during the 1992-1995 war.

Since the end of the war, Bosniak officials have avoided dealing with the issue of these former fighters, but after much arm-twisting on the part of the international community, it seems the issue will have to be addressed and these Islamic warriors will inevitably be deported to their countries of origin.

Islamic fighters recently have found themselves in the spotlight in Bosnia, not necessarily because they present a direct or potential terrorist threat to the country or its foreign installations, but largely due to their criminal activity and the influence they have among young Bosnian Muslims, who are increasingly gathering around the growing Wahhabi movement (a fundamentalist form of Islam prevalent in Saudi Arabia) ....



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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2007, 09:39:45 »
One of those "present at the creation" is pessimistic--note NATO points:

Back to the Brink In the Balkans
By Richard Holbrooke
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/23/AR2007112301237.html

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At a most inopportune time, the Balkans are back. On Dec. 10, the U.S.-E.U.-Russian negotiating team tasked with getting the Serbs and Albanians to agree on Kosovo's future status will report to the United Nations that it has failed. A few weeks later Kosovo's government will proclaim that Kosovo is an independent nation -- a long overdue event.

The United States and most of the European Union (led by Britain, France and Germany) will recognize Kosovo quickly. Russia and its allies will not. Kosovo's eight-year run as the biggest-ever U.N. project will end with great tension and a threat of violence that could spread to Bosnia.

Because security in Kosovo is NATO's responsibility, there is an urgent need to beef up the NATO presence [emphasis added] before this diplomatic train wreck. Just the thought of sending additional American troops into the region must horrify the Bush administration. Yet its hesitations and neglect helped create this dilemma -- which Russia has exploited.

There is more bad news, virtually unnoticed, from nearby Bosnia. Exactly 12 years after the Dayton peace agreement ended the war in Bosnia, Serb politicians, egged on by Moscow and Belgrade, are threatening that if Kosovo declares its independence from Serbia, then the Serb portion of Bosnia will declare its independence [emphasis added]. Such unilateral secession, strictly forbidden under Dayton, would endanger the more than 150,000 Muslims who have returned there...

...Today, Putin seeks to reassert Russia's role as a regional hegemon. He is not trying to start another Cold War, but he craves international respect, and the Balkans, neglected by a Bush administration retreating from its European security responsibilities, are a tempting target.

Putin was hardly quiet about this; I watched him bluntly warn German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and delegates to the Munich security conference in February that Russia would not agree to any Kosovo settlement that Belgrade opposed. There was a vague feeling in Washington and Brussels that Putin was bluffing -- and no real planning in case Putin meant it.

Not only did he mean it, Putin upped the ante by extending his reach into the Serb portion of Bosnia. Using some of his petrodollars, Putin turned its mildly pro-Western leader, Milorad Dodik, into a nasty nationalist who began threatening secession. The vaunted Atlantic alliance has yet to address this problem at a serious policy level-- even though, as Gregorian warned, it could explode soon after Kosovo declares independence.

The window of opportunity for a soft landing in Kosovo closed in 2004. Still, Bush should make one last, personal effort with Putin. His efforts must be backed by temporary additional troop deployments in the region [emphasis added--by NATO European members, one supposes]. It is not too late to prevent violence, but it will take American-led action and time is running out.

Richard Holbrooke was the chief architect of the Dayton peace agreement, which ended the war in Bosnia. He writes a monthly column for The Post.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2007, 12:51:39 »
The UN is stuck on stupid. They have had this mission since 1999 - and we arent any closer to a solution.
Holbrooke is a democrat who served in the Clinton administration so its hardly a surprise that he would attack the Bush administration. What he doesnt dwell on is that 9-11 and the GWOT has put Kosovo on the backburner. Second, Kosovo has been a UN responsibility since 1999 and they seem to be stuck on stupid with no solution in sight. Kosovo should be a EU responsibility with troops from the EU assuming security responsibility.The US has no national interest in the Balkans and we need to get our troops out so they can be used elsewhere.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
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Oh, oh:

Russia 'very alarmed' by Kosovo situation: agencies
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MOSCOW - Russia Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Wednesday described the situation in Kosovo as "very alarming" and said Moscow did not accept Western claims that independence for the Serbian province was inevitable, Russian news agencies reported.

"We cannot accept the incantation that this is a unique case, that independence is unavoidable," [emphasis added] he said, quoted by Interfax and ITAR-TASS.

"The situation is very alarming. It is only now that many of those who supported calls for a speedy proclamation of Kosovo's independence are starting to understand the possible consequences," he said.

The comments came after the collapse of last gasp talks on Kosovo's status mediated by the European Union, Russia and the United States in the Austrian spa resort of Baden.

Russia has consistently said that any resolution of the Serbian province's status should be acceptable to both sides in the dispute, meaning it must have the approval of Moscow's ally Belgrade.

Wednesday's talks were seen as a final attempt to settle the conundrum of Kosovo, the last contentious issue left over from the 1990s wars that shattered Yugoslavia.

Russia's role is crucial as it could use its status as a permanent member of the Security Council to block any UN approval of Kosovo independence.

Moscow has close cultural ties with Serbia and vehemently opposed the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 09:27:38 »
Time seems to be running out:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=8ce16c92-7569-49cf-98fa-315c959bf746&p=2

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LONDON - The threat of a new war in the Balkans loomed yesterday after the collapse of talks between Serbs and Albanians over the future of Kosovo.

Three days of negotiations overseen by international mediators broke down with both sides refusing to budge over their claims to the breakaway province.

Kosovo's Albanian majority has threatened to declare independence unilaterally...

The breakdown of the talks leaves Kosovo in the same limbo it has inhabited since the United Nations took over its administration in 1998 after NATO drove out Serbian troops [that attack, not authorized by the UNSC, sure looks like it may have not really solved anything - MC]...

Russia, which sided with Serbia to block a previous western-backed independence deal, looks set to remain opposed. But even countries such as Spain, Greece and Cyprus have signalled their disquiet at an independence deal, fearing it could embolden separatists within their own borders.

In Moscow, Russian media quoted Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying: "We cannot accept the incantation that this is a unique case, that independence is unavoidable...

No precedent exists for the creation of a new state by international committee and against the will of the sovereign power.

Serbia has cautioned that international recognition of Kosovo's independence could cause the Serb enclave of northern Kosovo to secede and spark a secession movement among the Serbs of Bosnia [emphasis added]...

Berlin announced it would be sending an extra 500 German troops to Kosovo, bringing their contingent in the NATO-led force to 2,800.

In Brussels, Gen. John Craddock, NATO's supreme commander in Europe, said the alliance's 16,000-strong Kosovo peacekeeping force had plans to tackle any violence...

Then there's this rather gruesome view of the situation:
http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSN28278931

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Predicting tough times ahead, the NATO commander in Kosovo called on Wednesday for clear guidance on how his force should act if the Serbian province declares independence as expected.

French Lt. Gen. Xavier de Marnhac also said the problem of tense relations between Kosovo's ethnic Albanian majority and Serb minority would eventually reach a "biological end" as the average age of the Serbs was much older...

Asked if he had requested more troops for his 16,000-strong force, de Marnhac said he could call on reserve forces outside Kosovo but had not done so yet. One such battalion was conducting mission rehearsals in Kosovo now, he said.

In his briefing, de Marnhac also noted the average age of Kosovo's Albanians was 28, while the figure for Serbs was 54 [emphasis added]...

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2007, 15:10:23 »
Shhhh, don't try to distract the world from the evils of what "Amerikkka" is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq to point out the looming ethnic meltdown in the backyard of the peoples States of Europe.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2007, 16:36:41 »
Brits getting ready:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2219593,00.html

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Britain yesterday offered to be the first Nato country to send extra troops to Kosovo within weeks, as the Conservatives and Balkan experts warned of a potentially violent crisis brewing.

While David Cameron accused the Kremlin of stirring up trouble in the Balkans and warned of a new crisis by Christmas, Gordon Brown's government also risked Russian wrath by issuing a robust statement of support for quick Kosovan independence.

Lord Ashdown, the former international governor of Bosnia, accused the Russians and the Serbian government of fomenting trouble in Bosnia and Kosovo, and demanded troops reinforcements to try to keep the peace. "Unless we get a grip on this situation very fast, the issue of the Balkans will be back on our agenda with a vengeance," Ashdown told the BBC

Amid a growing sense of foreboding after the collapse of two years of negotiations between the Serb and Kosovo Albanian leaderships over the future of the contested Balkan province, the Foreign Office signalled strong support for a breakaway Kosovo.

"Long-term European stability and security demand a viable status settlement for Kosovo without delay," a spokesman said, voicing support for the supervised independence proposed by the UN envoy, Martti Ahtisaari. If more peacekeepers were needed in Kosovo, Britain would be the first to send extra forces, he said [emphasis added]....

British diplomats indicated that any call for extra troops should first come from Nato commanders on the ground.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2007, 15:53:10 »
Rest o' NATO too...

Troops in Kosovo placed on heightened alert
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NATO's chief said Tuesday that his forces are prepared to respond to violence in coming weeks as the breakaway territory of Serbia prepares to assert its independence.  Gen. John Craddock said that plans include the possibility of quickly boosting the 16,000 NATO troops currently in Kosovo.  "I think that there will be those who want to create mischief and that will be manifested as strife, potentially violence in Kosovo," Craddock told reporters at the National Press Club.  The comments come as talks between leaders from Kosovo and Serbia appear stalled ahead of a Dec. 10 deadline to report to the United Nations. Although the southern province formally remains part of Serbia, Kosovo has been run by the U.N. and NATO since 1999, when the Western military alliance ended former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic's crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatists.  Ethnic Albanians, who make up 90 percent of Kosovo's 2 million people, insist on independence. Serbia has offered broad autonomy but insists the southern province remain part of its territory.  Leaders in Kosovo have said that they will soon declare their independence.  Reflecting the degree of concern for an organization that is also responsible for leading military operations against the insurgency by the Taliban and other groups in Afghanistan, Craddock called Kosovo "the most volatile issue confronting NATO today."  Craddock said that he believes pledges by Kosovo's leaders that they will work to prevent violence. He said that NATO will be prepared to work with police in Kosovo to shut down any paramilitary group that tried to assert authority in the territory ....
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
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I agree.

It is time for Europe, broadly, to stand up for itself. This is a serious problem within Europe and big, rich, sophisticated Europe must be up to the challenge or it must collapse into a pile of stinky brown stuff.

There is no reason for anyone in North America to do anthing except shake their heads in dismay and, maybe, smile behind their hands.

+10 Mr. Campbell, as usual very well said and if I may add, the point of the "brown stinky stuff", well that put the icing on the cake. thank you. ;D
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2007, 08:25:22 »
NATO trying to cool Kosovars' jets:
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/07-12-2007/102457-nato_kosovo-0

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NATO peacekeeping forces should be ready for handling violence in Kosovo, as province’s leaders seem to fight for their independence after a failure of negotiations.

"We will act resolutely against anyone who seeks to resort to violence," said alliance Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer as he opened the meeting of the 26 NATO nations.

The meeting sent a veiled message to Kosovo's ethnic-Albanian majority not to make a sudden declaration of independence after an expected acknowledgment by mediators from Russia, Europe and the United States that efforts to find a negotiated settlement have reached a dead end.

Instead of declaring unilateral independence, NATO spokesman James Appathurai urged a "managed and controlled" transition to decide the final status of the breakaway province.

The United States and leading European allies are hoping to revive a plan - rejected by Serbia and its Russian backers - for a gradual, supervised move to statehood. Others - notably Spain, Romania, Slovakia and Greece - are more cautious, fearing that Kosovo independence with agreement from Serbia could encourage separatist movements in other regions.

Despite the lack of agreement on Kosovo's final status, the allies agreed that NATO's 16,450 peacekeeping troops could continue their mission under the current U.N. mandate.

A battalion of German troops has already been sent to Kosovo to strengthen the force, and British, Italian and French units are being held in reserve, ready to move in if there is a new flare-up of violence [emphasis added].

Talks to establish a united Western position on Kosovo's future are expected to continue in the margins of an European Union-Africa summit in Lisbon this weekend and at the bloc's regular year-end summit next week.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said it was essential that Western countries avoid the divisions that prevented them from taking decisive action to halt Balkan bloodshed in the 1990s.

"I believe that we can achieve a strong degree of unity on the question of Kosovo," he told reporters on arrival at NATO headquarters.

Kosovo has been run by the United Nations, backed by NATO troops, since 1999 when a bombing campaign by allied warplanes ended a Serb crackdown on the separatists...

As for the Serbs:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3013628.ece

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The prospect of a new Balkans conflict came closer last night after Serbia made threats of “war” with the breakaway province of Kosovo.

After a four-month peace initiative failed to resolve the fate of the disputed territory, European diplomats, and even the Pope, made fresh appeals for Serbs and Albanians to avoid violence.

Nato foreign ministers will meet in Brussels today [see above] to discuss contingency measures should violence flare.

Concerns grew after Aleksandar Simic, adviser to Vojislav Kostunica, the Serbian Prime Minister, said that his country would defend its sovereignty “using all means” at its disposal.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2007, 15:42:29 »
More on NATO preparations:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/07/europe/kosovo.php

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SKENDERAJ, Kosovo: NATO commanders in Kosovo say they are ready to shut down any violence in the wake of the province's expected secession from Serbia. The scorched frescoes and shattered roof tiles at the Serbian Orthodox monastery of St. Joanikije testify to how difficult that task might be.

It was less than four years ago that the drowning deaths of three Albanian boys sparked rioting against Serbs that ended with 19 people dead and more than 30 churches and monasteries across Kosovo destroyed or damaged. Attackers torched St. Joanikije just outside Skenderaj, despite the presence there of NATO peacekeepers.

On Monday mediators will officially report what has been clear for some time, that they have reached a dead end in their negotiations with Serbia and Kosovo. After that the United Nations Security Council will meet to discuss the matter, and Kosovar's leaders will decide the timing of the province's declaration of independence from Serbia.

During these weeks, a tense calm is expected unless a few troublemakers on either side spark an incident, especially in isolated ethnic enclaves and religious sites like the monastery.

For all the dry diplomatic language of resolutions and declarations, it is bloodshed that people most fear. In the worst-case scenarios trouble begins in Kosovo and spreads like a contagion among the overlapping ethnic groups and across the fresh and often permeable borders in the former Yugoslavia.

NATO has about 16,500 troops on the ground, slightly fewer than it had during the out-of-control riots in March 2004. And the endgame in Kosovo's drive for independence comes at a time when a distracted and overstretched American military, which still has a contingent in Kosovo as well, is fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...[US linking Afstan and Kosovo--see this link]
http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSL21566421

It is the German national flag and the Bavarian state flag that fly over the small encampment of NATO soldiers guarding the St. Joanikije monastery, now half rebuilt. The Bavaria-based troops are mountain specialists, wearing distinctive gray caps with pins of the edelweiss flower on the side.

Germany has a longstanding contingent in the south of the country. This battalion is one of several reserve forces that NATO can call in within one to two weeks in the event of trouble. Technically they are only in Kosovo for regular training, but the timing was apt [emphasis added], overlapping with both a recent election and the negotiating deadline.

For now, the German soldiers are under the command of NATO's French-led northern task force and have been fortifying the defenses at the monastery. Bright new barbed wire is spooled up and down the hills surrounding the monastery. The Germans say that after the drownings in 2004 Albanians with Molotov cocktails climbed around French defenders guarding the front gates from a large mob to set the complex ablaze.

Officers say they have learned the lessons of 2004 and are ready now.

"The French had only the option to open fire or to retreat," said Captain Andre Zuehlsdorf, the commander of the company of German soldiers that includes the platoon now stationed at St. Joanikije. In contrast, his soldiers have tear-gas grenades and riot gear - and the training to use it.

"I have seen much of the training, and I would not like to try to get past these guys," said Colonel Niels Tonning, deputy commander of the task force responsible for the area. Perhaps most important, troops will not have to wait for orders from the NATO Joint Force Command in Naples. "The decision to use tear gas will not be made in Naples. It will be made in Mitrovica,"  [emphasis added--and beyond tear gas?]Tonning said, referring to a Kosovar city by the Ibar River that is divided into ethnic enclaves...

And that is five minutes by car to the Serbian monastery, where by legend St. Joanikije brought forth fresh water from stones through prayer. Mother Superior Anastacia, the leader of the six nuns remaining there, said that during the rampage icons had been thrown into the well and the monastery's two bells had disappeared.

"This monastery was always offering a comfort of healing, not only for Christians but for Muslims as well," said Mother Superior Anastacia.

"We would stay here in any case," the nun said, "but we believe for a long period that we cannot live here without any military presence."

The northern task force is committed to protecting the site. But the German battalion that has guarded it for the past two weeks will probably - assuming no flare-ups have occurred - be home from its rotation in time for Christmas [emphasis here], before independence is declared.

A lengthy piece on how things are seen in Serbia is here:
http://199.246.67.249/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/LAC/20071208/DOUG08/Columnists/commentColumnists/commentColumnists/1/1/6/

And twisting and turning in terms of the UN:
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NATO nations pledged yesterday to provide enough troops to put down any violence as Kosovo heads towards a declaration of independence from Serbia, expected within weeks.

Britain, France, Germany and Italy urged fellow EU states in a letter to accept that negotiations on Kosovo's future had been exhausted and that the time had come to settle its status -- without United Nations backing, if necessary.

In a separate move that drew immediate fire from Russia, NATO countries agreed that their 16,000 KFOR peacekeepers could stay in Kosovo on the basis of their existing UN mandate, even after independence.

"KFOR shall remain in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council resolution 1244, unless the Security Council decides otherwise [emphasis added]," NATO ministers said in a final communiqué...

The agreement that UN Security Council resolution 1244 can justify NATO's presence in Kosovo even after independence is crucial, as several nations such as Germany had harboured doubts over whether it could continue to apply.

UN Security Council veto-holder Russia has not made clear whether it will challenge such an application of the resolution. But Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov slammed it as potentially undermining basic standards of international law...

This is from Resolution 1244 [pdf]:
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/1244.pdf

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19. [The Security Council] Decides that the international civil and security presences are established for an initial period of 12 months, to continue thereafter unless the Security Council decides otherwise;

So the NATO interpretation appears literally correct. However staying on if Kosovo declares an independence not authorized by the UNSC seems a very dicey way to go to me. Just like the 1999 NATO attack itself on Serbia, also not UNSC-authorized.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2007, 20:57:02 »
A sensible thought from British General (ret'd) Sir Mike Jackson who commanded KFOR and was Chief of the General Staff:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/12/09/do0906.xml

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My last - somewhat heretical - thought is that perhaps the international community's aversion to boundary change should be re-examined in this case. The largest concentration of Kosovo Serbs live north of the River Ibar, adjacent to Serbia proper. This small area was transferred from Serbia to Kosovo only 40 years ago. A restoration might have merit...

But what then of the Republika Srpska in Bosnia?
http://www.maplandia.com/bosnia-and-herzegovina/republika-srpska/
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2007, 12:03:36 »
Don't forget that the Serbs consider Kosova Polje (the field of crows) as the birthplace of Serbia. 

Never underestimate the power of popular myth to make people irrational. :threat: 

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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2007, 15:44:00 »
We should never involve ourselves in continental affairs again.  Let Europa sort it out. 

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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2007, 17:16:28 »
No offense, my comment was intended to state that we have been cleaning up Euro-crap since 1914.  It is time the the height of civilisation put it's house in order so we can help the developing world put it's house in order.  Our future national success is in Asia and Africa in this century not in Europe, Europeans have the treasure and the people to fix their own problems and that should finally be made clear to them.

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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2007, 10:45:23 »
Well I am not much of fan of Europe, as I am a Canadian Nationalist and an anti royalist.  My feeling is they can solve their own problems alone AND contribute to the mess the they made in Asia and Africa.  I, especially, feel that the French, Belgians, Dutch, Germans, British, Spanish and Portgeuse (SIC!) MUST do this as they are the former colonial powers who brought all this enlightenment to the third world in the 19th century.  The US and the Russians, same again, as they were the 20th Century colonial powers.  In short, if your dog goes on the neighbour's lawn you are responsible for the mess until it is put right.

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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2007, 15:22:58 »
EU preparations (if only they'd do the same for Afstan):
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European Union leaders on Friday pledged 1,800 police and administrative officials to Kosovo, part of a package of aid and diplomacy intended to facilitate a well-choreographed, quick and peaceful march to independence for the breakaway Serbian province.

The E.U. government heads, meeting at a summit in Brussels, stopped short of pledging to recognize Kosovo if its leaders declare independence, fearing that such a declaration and an endorsement by the 27-nation bloc could provoke a nationalist backlash in Serbia ahead of elections early next year. Some analysts have warned that ethnic violence might resume.

But signaling their aim to exert European influence over the independence process, they announced plans to send the 1,800 personnel to the province in the near future. In addition, some E.U. leaders held out the possibility that Serbia could be awarded a fast-track membership path into the European Union if it is more accommodating on Kosovo.

"Kosovo's independence is inevitable," French President Nicolas Sarkozy told reporters after the summit. "It's an issue for Europe to sort out."

Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica threw water on the whole idea. "It is unacceptable to speak of Kosovo, a province of Serbia, as a future state," he said in a statement Friday, according to the Reuters news agency. "It is especially insulting to offer to a crippled Serbia a reward of fast track to the E.U. in exchange for its consent to violence."..

At the same time, several E.U. members -- most notably Cyprus, but to lesser degrees Greece, Slovakia, Romania and Spain -- are concerned that backing independence in Kosovo, without a U.N. Security Council resolution supporting it, could set a dangerous precedent for other secessionist movements [emphasis added--e.g. Republika Srpska).

The E.U. has been eager to show that it can muster the political will and military and economic resources to avert another conflict in the Balkans. Facing a certain Russian veto over Kosovo independence in the Security Council, the E.U. has been struggling to reach consensus on an alternative course...

Analysts expect Thaci [incoming Kosovo PM] to announce in January or February that Kosovo will declare independence later in the year, perhaps in May [emphasis added], allowing time to lay the ground for security measures and the adoption of constitutional and other governmental changes. The United States, European nations and other countries reportedly are prepared to announce their support for Kosovo's independence as soon as Thaci makes his announcement.

Serbia has scheduled presidential elections for Jan. 20, with a runoff on Feb. 3 if there is no clear winner. Western officials hope Thaci's announcement will not come before those dates, fearing it could energize Serbian nationalist sentiments. They say they hope the prospect of E.U. membership will bolster the fortunes of moderate candidates.

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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2007, 15:40:55 »
Roger that, but it was just announced by the EU that Serb EU membership is on hold and independence is not an option right now.  Personally, independence is only likely to prime the powder keg, we are better off with a Cyprus type solution except without the topless Swede tourists on the sunny beaches!!!!  Topless Serb grannies on the river side maybe......??????

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2007, 16:55:57 »
UNSC gives up:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/world/europe/20nations.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

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The Security Council signaled Wednesday that it would not be able to resolve the status of Kosovo, the breakaway Serbian province, and that a solution would have to come from outside the United Nations.

John Sawers, the British ambassador, emerged from a closed Council meeting to say that what he had heard inside from Vojislav Kostunica, the Serbian prime minister, and Fatmir Sejdiu, the president of Kosovo, “underlined just how enormous the gulf is between the two parties.”

Zalmay Khalilzad, the American ambassador, said that the two had “irreconcilable differences” and that the time had come to proceed with granting Kosovo the independence it has sought but Serbia has resisted.

“The continuation of the status quo poses not only a threat to peace and stability in Kosovo but also to the region and in Europe,” Mr. Khalilzad said.

Mr. Sawers said the European Union would proceed based on the plan for “supervised independence” with protections for the Serbian minority developed by Martti Ahtisaari, the United Nations envoy, and sent to the Council in March. Serbia and Russia, its ally on the Council, had rejected that plan because it led to independence for Kosovo.

The dispute has pitted the principles of sovereignty and self-determination against each other and produced a stand-off between Serbia, backed vigorously by Russia, and Kosovo, supported by the United States and the European Union...

Leaders of Kosovo’s 1.8 million ethnic Albanians have said they will declare their independence only in coordination with the United States and Europe, both of whom have counseled against abrupt action. Mr. D’Alema said he believed that the declaration would be made in March [emphasis added]. Kosovo, a province of Serbia with a population that is 90 percent ethnic Albanian, has been administered by the United Nations since 1999, when an American-led NATO bombing campaign ended Serbian repression of the Albanian majority...

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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2007, 17:46:09 »
Fools!  The UN or the EU and especially NATO should not be in the business of "liberating Tribes" within National Borders.  Now we just spread the misery and add more seats at the UN General Assembly.  Which nation will enter into a defense pact with the new nation ....against a defense pact of Serbia and Russia.  Here comes the cold war and MAD and basement bomb shelters again!

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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2008, 05:22:39 »
It appears more than JUST the Pomeranians are getting edgy this weekend...

Nationalists rally in Belgrade against Kosovo independence, Associated Press, 16 Feb 08:  "Hundreds of Serb nationalists staged a noisy rally Saturday in downtown Belgrade to protest Western support for Kosovo's bid for independence.  Some 1,000 protesters waved the Serbian flag and chanted "Kosovo is the heart of Serbia" outside the embassy of Slovenia, which holds the rotating EU presidency.  A cordon of police ringed the embassy and a dozen vans filled with riot police were parked on side streets around the embassy and the capital's only mosque. No incidents were reported ...."

British troops ready to be deployed to Kosovo before independence, Kuwait News Agency, 16 Feb 08:  "British troops were ready to head to Kosovo after violence erupted there before the independence of the region which would be announced tomorrow (Sunday).  A spokesman for the Defense Ministry stated that about 600 soldiers from the First Welsh Battalion would head to Kosovo if violence did not cease, adding that the troops would join 15,000 NATO troops there which is under the leadership of Kosovo Force (KFOR).  He indicated that military officials saw that the number of current troops deployed in Kosovo did not meet with current situation, affirming that the UK was committed to the peace and security of the Balkan region.  The situation in Kosovo required NATO to be more flexible to meet challenges posed by the violence amid the announcement of independence, indicated the spokesman ...."

EU nations approve policing mission for Kosovo, Constant Brand, ASSOCIATED PRESS, 16 Feb 08:  "A day before Kosovo is expected to declare independence, European Union nations agreed Saturday to send a 1,800-strong mission to Kosovo to help the fledgling state build its police force and judiciary.  The mission will include 700 police officers, as well as judges, prosecutors and other legal experts, to help the ethnic Albanian leadership with security, legal and customs issues after Kosovo breaks away from Serbia ...."

US will work to prevent Kosovo backlash, JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press, 17 Feb 08:  "President Bush said Sunday that the U.S will work with its allies to try to prevent violent clashes after the anticipated declaration of independence by Kosovo.  Kosovo is expected to declare its independence from Serbia on Sunday, a move that has outraged Serbia and its ally Russia, which has warned it would set a dangerous precedent for separatist groups worldwide.  "The United States will continue to work with our allies to the very best we can to make sure there's no violence," Bush said in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, during his five-nation tour of Africa.  "We are heartened by the fact that the Kosovo government has clearly proclaimed its willingness and its desire to support Serbian rights in Kosovo," he said.... "

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2008, 15:30:26 »
A guest-post at Daimnation!:

Kosovo(a?): Putting our government in a pickle
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2008, 15:46:08 »
Damned if you do, damned if you don't....
Mr Duceppe feels this is great & that we should recognize their right to seceed from the Serbian federation....
which translates to... it should be OK for Quebec to seceed and, should they ever do it, all the other countries around the world should say "that's OK" and rush to recognize the new independant state.  The fact that conditions in Kosovo are very different from what fellow Quebeckers have to live with seems to have been completely overlooked.

Mr Dion feels there is nothing wrong with recognizing Kossovo independance..... shouldn't he think before he speaks?
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2008, 15:50:42 »
Mr Duceppe feels this is great & that we should recognize their right to seceed from the Serbian federation

Yep, but he don't tell often that if Quebec ever get independent, he would not  recognize any part of Quebec
 who would want to go back to Canada, as some aborigenals or West Islanders sotimes say they will want...

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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2008, 18:14:26 »
Ahhh... that's why he wears a hairnet.
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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2008, 17:12:33 »
The Consequences of Kosovo
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In fact, watching the crowds celebrate Saturday night in the streets of Pristina, I wondered there isn't a deeper lesson here for other would-be neighborhood bullies. Milosevic's stated goal was, after all, the greater glory of Serbia (he had other, unstated goals as well, such as the perpetuation of a communist-era power structure; but never mind). Spouting Serbian nationalism, he helped turned Serb minorities across Yugoslavia into mini-militias. They, in turn, inspired the creation of other mini-militias -- Croatian, Bosnian, Albanian and others -- which began fighting one another in a series of small, nasty wars.

You can fairly accuse me here of oversimplifying this chronology, but I think it is nevertheless correct to say that the result of this activity -- discrimination, ethnic cleansing, warfare -- was a complete disaster for Serbia. The Serbian economy went down the tubes; the Serb dominance of ex-Yugoslavia evaporated; Belgrade, the Serb capital, was bombed. Now Serbia looks set to be dismembered as well: Some European countries and the United States have recognized Kosovo's independence, something that wouldn't have happened two decades ago. Milosevic the super-nationalist -- the would-be leader of a revived, powerful, successful Serbia -- damaged no country nearly so much as he damaged Serbia itself.

Keep that lesson in mind over the next few months as others in Europe -- and possibly elsewhere -- attempt to use the Kosovo example as a precedent. After all, if the Albanians can be independent from Serbia, the Abkhazians and South Ossetians would like to be independent from Georgia, the Basques and the Catalonians don't see why they shouldn't be independent from Spain, and who knows what could happen in Cyprus.

In some of these cases, there are other, larger neighbors that might be interested in facilitating the split, just as Serbia was keen to encourage ethnic Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia. Most notably, and most notoriously, the Russians have made ominous noises and dropped dark hints about those Georgian separatist groups, and one can certainly see their logic. What a perfect way to take revenge on those difficult, NATO-loving Georgians: Encourage Georgia's ethnic minorities to launch civil war. Besides, the timing could hardly be better. In the waning days of the Bush administration, is Abkhazia anybody's central concern? During the most interesting U.S. presidential campaign in decades, is anyone going to spare a thought for South Ossetia?

Except that if Abkhazia and South Ossetia were to secede, and civil war in Georgia were to follow, the Russians would then have a failed state on their borders. And, as we know from Yugoslavia, the Middle East and Africa, ethnic and religious civil wars have a nasty way of spreading to their neighbors. Chaos in Georgia might be in the short-term interest of a small group of Putinites, desperate to raise the specter of warfare, annoy the West, and cling to power (much like Milosevic, once upon a time), but it is most definitely not in the long-term interest of Russia.

Russia's policy toward these would-be separatists over the next few weeks will therefore reveal a great deal about the mentality of Russia's ruling clan. If the denizens of the Kremlin have a shred of concern about their compatriots' future well-being, they'll shut up and try to calm everyone down. If not -- well, I hope they remember that the risks of the law of unintended consequences apply to them, too.

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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2008, 14:43:45 »
BREAKING NEWS: Serb protesters attack U.S. embassy


(CNN) -- Angry demonstrators protesting Kosovo's independence from Serbia attacked the U.S. Embassy in Belgrade on Thursday, throwing rocks, breaking windows and setting fires.

Serbian TV showed someone trying to set fire to the U.S. flag at the embassy, which was closed and unstaffed when the masked protesters attacked.

Riot police fired tear gas at the rioters and lines of armored vehicles were on the streets.

U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said; "We are in contact with the Serbian government to ensure that they devote the appropriate assets to fulfill their international obligations to help protect diplomatic facilities in this case."

Kosovo declared independence last Sunday and the United States was among the first countries to offer official recognition of its split from Serbia.

Bratislaw Grubacic, chief editor of VIP magazine in Belgrade, said police reported 32 people injured, including 14 police officers.

Teresa Gould, a translator for Belgrade TV, said the Croatian Embassy next door also was attacked. Police quickly rounded up the demonstrators, witnesses said.

The violence was part of a much bigger, peaceful demonstration where up to 150,000 people chanted 'Kosovo is Serbia," and vowed to never accept the province's independence.

Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica, who earlier addressed the peaceful rally, said "Kosovo is Serbia's first name." He called the declaration of independence last Sunday illegal and said will do all he can to get it annulled.

State railroads provided free transport to protesters, and schools across the country were closed Thursday for the "Kosovo is Ours" rally in the Serb capital, The Associated Press reported.  Watch the Serb protests »

Tensions also erupted at the Kosovo border checkpoint in Merdare -- about 50 kilometers (30 miles) northeast of Kosovo's capital Pristina -- as several hundred Serbian army reservists clashed with NATO-led peacekeepers and police, AP said.

Photographs showed demonstrators, many of them wearing their reservist uniform, hurling rocks and setting tires alight to create a wall of smoke before they charged past the checkpoint shouting "Kosovo is ours! Kosovo is Serbia.

U.N. police said the demonstrators had come by bus from the Serbian town of Kursumlija and were largely army veterans who had fought with the Serbian side in Kosovo's 1998-1999 war, AP reported.

Following the clashes, the demonstrators dismantled and returned to the Serbian side of the checkpoint, according to AP.

Meanwhile several hundred Bosnian Serbs rallied in the Bosnian city of Banja Luka and in the Sarajevo suburb of Lukavica, AP said.

Students in Lukavica were seen waving Serbian flags and singing Serbian patriotic songs while police in Banja Luka were stopping demonstrators from marching on the U.S. consulate there.

The breakaway region has been recognized by the U.S. and several EU nations including the UK, France and Germany but the government in Belgrade maintains that Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

Amid simmering tensions in northern Kosovo, home to most of the region's Serb minority, there were fears that Thursday's rally could spill over into violence, as was seen at the Merdare border crossing, following attacks by Serb nationalists on western targets in Belgrade including the U.S. embassy earlier this week.

The U.S. Embassy in Belgrade advised American citizens to stay away from the gathering, warning that "businesses and organizations with U.S. affiliations may serve as focal points for these demonstrations."

"We wish to remind American citizens that even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. American citizens are therefore urged to avoid the areas of demonstrations, and to exercise caution if within the vicinity of any protests," a statement said.

On Thursday, Italy became the latest European nation to recognize Kosovo's sovereignty, AP reported.

"The recognition of Kosovo's independence does not take away anything from our closeness to Serbia," Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi told reporters.

Russia and China continue to oppose Kosovo's declaration of independence while Spain has expressed concern that recognition will give momentum to secessionist movements in other countries, such as the Basques in northern Spain.
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Re: Bosnia and Kosovo: More Pomeranian grenadiers needed as peacekeepers?
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2008, 16:02:20 »
Hmmm... The balkans are heating up...... Where's the Archduke when you need one ???
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2008, 18:53:08 »
I have to say that the US should not have recognized Kosovo its a huge mistake and has the strong possibility of Serbia taking Kosovo by force thereby putting NATO troops there in a tough spot. Should the Serbs take the military option I dont see NATO trying to stop them.  The US/NATO doesnt need this flashpoint now.

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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2008, 09:06:36 »
Ayup!
Regardless of what happens, a lot of people are about to get their shorts tied up in knots over the things happening over there.
The match has been lit & the powder keg is in place... anyone want to prophesize what happens next ?
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« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2008, 09:33:41 »
Is that with or without the torched US Embassy in Serbia?
Also - remember, the Russians are backing the Serbs... I think that things are as messy as they appear to be.
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« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2008, 10:52:50 »
The one thing that no one is mentioning here is that this is all contrary to the UN Mandate in Kosovo.  The US and UK have decided to ignore the UN and support a mission that is not backed by the majority of the UN (boy, this sounds very much like.......like........Iraq).  Therefore the UN mission will be pulling out leaving the 20 members of the next coalition of the willing to break their promises and extract themselves a few years down the road when things get to tough.  Lets hope Canada is not there at the that time!

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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2008, 14:21:47 »
UN Security Council Resolution 1244 has governed Kosovars since its inception, 8 years ago. It was up to the UN to figure out how to go forward. During that time nothing happened. The Albanian majority took it upon themselves to resolve the impass by declaring independence. Everyone knew the Albanian Kosovars were gioing to take this step. Kosovo as an entity isnt viable it needs to be part of either Serbia or Albania not some limbo.Its unfortunate that the Bush administration decided to rush recognition without thinking through the consequences. Russia is going to side with the Serbs and this puts the Kremlin and Washington on a collision course that is avoidable. The only question is what will be the cost war in Kosovo or Russian interference in the ME or helping Iran further its nuclear weapons program. The latter certainly cant be good for Russia's long term interests. Putin will make Washington pay a price and its one that we could have avoided simply by not recognizing Kosovar independence.

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« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2008, 17:29:14 »
I think this is the true legacy of peace-making with peace-keepers.  In effect we use UN troops to take territory away from a nation without any "Marshall Plan" for after the war.  After a decade of occupation the UN, US and Europa were happy with a solution, any solution.  We have not then and not since addressed the root causes of the fears at the base of these societies.  They are all dirt poor post communist states where deceit was a way of life and no one has grown up with any real values or resepct for anything of any importance so they stick to tribalism as if it was a religion.  The real solution would be to divide the the whole of the former Yugo into about 250 states each with a Europa security force to protect it from it's neighbours and then to transfer 7 million European jobs there so they something do besides burn each other out.  The upside is that the European armaments industry now has a new client!!!!

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Is the unraveling beginning?
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KOSOVSKA MITROVICA (AFP) - UN police were forced to withdraw Monday from the Serb-populated part of this flashpoint Kosovo town after coming under attack as they stormed a court occupied by Serbs opposed to independence.

More than 100 people, including 63 international security force members, were hurt amid gunfire and a suspected grenade blast after they moved in to regain control of the UN-run tribunal in the northern town of Kosovska Mitrovica, police officials said...

"The police are pulling out of northern Mitrovica," said an official from the Kosovo police mission of the United Nations [supposed to be replaced by EU police; I wonder if they'll arrive as scheduled - MC],
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/20/kosovo.serbia1
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But Kosovo's NATO-led KFOR peacekeepers have remained in the tense town.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1741937520080317

The French army chief of staff said in Paris that 20 French soldiers serving with KFOR were among the wounded, eight of them seriously, but none of them were in critical condition.

"NATO condemns, in the strongest terms, violence that we have seen today. NATO will respond firmly to ensure a safe and secure environment," NATO spokesman James Appathurai said in Brussels.
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The use of weapons makes the violence the worst to have flared in Kosovo since its ethnic Albanian-dominated parliament unilaterally declared independence from Serbia on February 17...

Northern Kosovo has a 40,000-strong Serb population who are divided from the mainly ethnic Albanian south by the Ibar River, which passes through Mitrovica.

The clashes came on the four-year anniversary of the March 2004 anti-Serb riots by ethnic Albanians in which 19 people were killed and dozens of medieval Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries were destroyed or damaged.

Kosovo's independence has been recognised by many Western countries but Serbia and Kosovo Serbs -- backed by Russia -- have vehemently rejected the move as illegal.

Serbian President Boris Tadic warned UN and NATO forces against any "excessive reaction" that could spark a further "escalation."

Outgoing Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica condemned the "use of force" and said Serbia had "begun consultations with Russia over necessary mutual reaction in order to halt all violence against the Serbs. [emphasis added]"..

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And Canada throws its hat into the recognition ring....

Canada Joins International Recognition of Kosovo
DFAIT news release No. 59, 18 Mar 08

The Honourable Maxime Bernier, Minister of Foreign Affairs, today announced Canada’s decision to recognize Kosovo. Minister Bernier issued the following statement:

“We note that a significant number of countries, including our G7 partners and many of Canada’s close allies, have already recognized Kosovo.

“Kosovo is a unique case, as illustrated by its recent history characterized by war and ethnic cleansing, the role subsequently played by the United Nations and NATO in administering the territory and providing for its security, and the ongoing role that international organizations such as the European Union will play in assisting Kosovo with its transition to full independence.

“As the declaration issued by Kosovo's parliament also makes clear, the unique circumstances which have led to Kosovo's independence mean it does not constitute any kind of precedent. Statements made by other countries recognizing Kosovo's independence have echoed this point.

“We welcome the commitment made by Kosovo to ensure the protection of the rights of Serbian and other minorities, including their right to safety. Canada also welcomes Kosovo’s commitment to ensure the protection of religious and cultural heritage sites. Canada attaches great importance to the full implementation of these and other commitments, undertaken by Kosovo’s leaders in line with the recommendations of UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari.

“The development of Kosovo into a democratic, multi-ethnic state that fully respects human rights is essential for peace, political stability and economic progress in the Balkans.

“In this context, Canada acknowledges this new international reality.”

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Military law imposed on divided Kosovo town after Serb rioting
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Nato has put the northern Kosovo town of Mitrovica under de facto military law after rioting by Serbs hostile to the newly independent state left one UN policeman dead and forced the withdrawal of UN staff.

The violence, which erupted on Monday at the UN courthouse in the divided town, was the worst since Kosovo's Albanian majority declared independence from Serbia last month. Nato officials said that protesters had "crossed a red line", using Molotov cocktails and grenades. A 25-year-old Ukrainian policeman died after being caught in by a grenade blast, becoming the first UN policeman to die in Kosovo since the UN took control in 1999.

In Mitrovica, the main bridge over the river that separates the town's Serb north from the Albanian south, was closed. French, Belgian and Spanish peacekeepers from the Nato-led force in armoured personnel carriers secured potential flashpoints and a column of US troops arrived to provide back-up [emphasis added--hmm]. Meanwhile, all Kosovo Serb police officers were ordered to suspend normal duties...

Why is Jack Layton not decrying this oppressive action by NATO? Surely the UN should be put in charge?
http://www.ndp.ca/page/6134

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Serb PM doing Jack Layton's job for him:
http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/03/23/europe/OUKWD-UK-SERBIA-KOSOVO.php

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Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica on Sunday accused NATO peacekeepers and United Nations police of using "snipers and banned ammunition" to quell a Serb riot against Kosovo's independence.

"It was the international forces," he told the daily Vecernje Novosti in an interview, referring to a riot in the Kosovo Serb stronghold of Mitrovica last Monday in which a Ukrainian U.N. policeman was killed and a Serb badly wounded in the head.

"Obviously, the situation in Kosovo is very difficult and there are reasonable and unreasonable people. The battle is on for the whole of Kosovo," Kostunica said.

When the powers which back independence for the majority Albanian province realised that Serbia would never recognise it, "they displayed force," Kostunica said "brutal force, snipers and banned ammunition"...

Kostunica is now a caretaker premier. His coalition collapsed this month over his hard-line policy of rejecting closer European Union ties until the EU reverses its recognition of Kosovo.

He said this would be the key issue in the early general election now scheduled for May 11, with rival Democrats led by pro-Western president Boris Tadic advocating a less confrontational approach.

Serbia would not submit to blackmail, Kostunica said.

He was "seriously worried" by pro-EU Serbs who he said would give Serbia a "government ready to push aside the defence of its integrity and say: Let's join Europe and then fight for Kosovo"...

Meanwhile some seeming logic here:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKFIL241533._CH_.242020080322

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Serbia has proposed a plan for the "functional division of Serbs and Kosovo Albanians" in Kosovo, Minister for Kosovo Slobodan Samardzic was quoted on Saturday as saying.

He said the plan referred to all of Kosovo and was part of the government's action plan to reject Kosovo's independence, declared with Western support on Feb. 17.

Diplomats said it amounted to a plan for partition which the West rejects.

Samardzic said Serbia respected a U.N. resolution on Kosovo which turned the province over to U.N. administration and NATO protection in 1999, and the mission that has run it ever since, known as UNMIK.

"We accept resolution 1244
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/ACOS-64D26H?OpenDocument
and the authority of the UNMIK police, judiciary and customs office. But after the unilateral declaration of independence, only Serbs, with the help of Serbia, can perform those duties," he told the daily Politika.

Samardzic confirmed he submitted the proposal to UNMIK deputy chief Larry Rossin a week ago.

He said that if Serbia did not take over those institutions, then "Kosovo Albanians will, with the tacit approval of UNMIK, within a couple of months gain control of all institutions".

He said Serbia had not given up on 1244, but it had been undermined by the unilateral declaration of independence.

The current situation was "a challenge to UNMIK to be creative and not withdraw with the job not done".

"If they want peace and stability, they must reach a lasting agreement with the Serbs, and not try to put out fire every other day through violence," Samardzic said...

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And what about the Albanians in Macedonia (FYROM, that is)?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120779330208303779.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

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NATO's summit in Bucharest last week provided limited blessings for the Balkans. Although Albania and Croatia were invited into the alliance, Macedonia was shunted into the waiting room, Serbia remained on the sidelines, and Russia's persistent threats of renewed regional conflict over Kosovo went unchallenged...

The most glaring summit negative was the postponed decision on Macedonia's NATO membership. The country's entry was blocked by Greece after years of stalled negotiations over the country's name and the formal usage of that name. The Macedonian appellation without a geographic or political qualifier is viewed in Athens as a direct challenge to Hellenic patrimony and identity, making it impossible for the Greek parliament to ratify Macedonia's NATO entry.

Unfortunately, the Macedonian authorities became overconfident that Washington would prevail as a mediator in the dispute with Athens and failed to adopt an acceptable compromise position. The country's invitation to NATO depends solely on an agreement with Greece – a prospect that may now prove even more elusive than before the summit.

In the wake of NATO's postponement, Macedonian politics is likely to radicalize. The fragile government, already abandoned by its Albanian coalition partners, could be forced to resign if it agrees to a new name that would entail a constitutional amendment. One can expect a flurry of accusations against Athens and a resurgence of nationalist passions. But this would only diminish Macedonia's reputation as a reliable NATO candidate.

Unless a sound strategy is devised in negotiations with Greece, with high-level U.S. involvement, the ensuing political turmoil may encourage leaders of the Albanian minority to push for territorial autonomy in a swath of territory bordering Kosova and Albania [emphasis added]. This would capsize the Ohrid agreement painstakingly devised to ensure interethnic co-existence in a unitary state following the Albanian insurgency in the summer of 2001.

The broader regional consequences of not resolving Macedonia could also prove destabilizing. If Skopje does not promptly recognize Kosovo's statehood and fails to conclude a border agreement with Pristina, it could encourage some Albanian militants inside Macedonia to push for territorial adjustments. The militants might also conclude, in the absence of NATO membership, that Macedonia is merely a "temporary state."

Russia will also seek to benefit from Macedonian uncertainties by prodding for closer economic, political and security ties with Skopje and claiming to be a stalwart protector against pan-Albanianism and "Islamic terrorism." The objective will be to add another property on Moscow's expanding Monopoly board and construct a chain of Balkan dependencies stretching toward Central and Western Europe...

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Ahh... the Bal;kans in the Spring.

Then smell of insurection in the air.... kaf, kaf!  :warstory:
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And back again..... what a ride!

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British grenadiers being strained:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/29/narmy129.xml

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The Armed Forces are being stretched to "dangerous levels", critics claimed yesterday after it emerged that a final reserve battalion will be sent to Kosovo.

Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, will tell Parliament that a battle group of more than 600 troops from the 2nd Bn The Rifles will fly out to a potentially hostile reception next month...

...opposition politicians yesterday accused the Government of stretching the military to "paper thin" levels.

"The Army will be holding its breath and hoping that there is no severe deterioration in the security situation," said Nick Harvey, the Lib Dem defence spokesman.

"With a further deployment in Kosovo it is hard to see how the simultaneous operations in Iraq, Afghanistan are remotely sustainable, even in the short term."

He called for a Strategic Defence Review "as a matter of urgency" in order to "better match resources with our commitments".

Defence chiefs have negotiated for the infantry battalion to remain on operations for 30 days as Kosovo, which was forcibly removed from Serb national territory after the UN imposed "supervised independence" in February.

But they could remain longer if there is trouble from the minority Serb population after the new Kosovo constitution is introduced on June 15 establishing independence that will be welcomed by the majority ethnic Albanians.

Britain is rapidly running out of reserves with eight infantry battalions on operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The same numbers are preparing to deploy and another eight are recovering from the arduous six month tours from a total of 36 battalions...

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Who's in charge of what?

International forces blur mission lines in Kosovo
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4004249.ece

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Six hundred British troops deployed to “a calm but tense” Kosovo as an operational reserve force are facing an uncertain and unpredictable one-month tour.

The soldiers from the 2nd Battalion The Rifles have been deploying for some weeks and will be at full strength tomorrow and operationally ready to begin their mission on Wednesday.

The battalion is highly experienced, having served in Iraq on two tours, in 2003 and 2006/2007, and is being sent to Afghanistan next year.

The battalion also served in Kosovo, in 2005, but this time the former Yugoslav province is now the world’s newest sovereign country - the Republic of Kosovo - and the potential for confrontation between the majority Albanians and the minority Serbs remains the biggest concern for the international community.

Nato diplomatic sources said the Kosovan Albanians had been “remarkably restrained” in the face of provocation from the Serb community, following the declaration of unilateral independence by the majority ethnic administration in Pristina on February 17.

However, the sources warned that the political stability of Kosovo was being undermined by the failure of the United Nations and the European Community to clarify their roles and responsibilities. There remained confusion, they said, between UNMIK, the UN Mission in Kosovo, and EULEX, the EU police mission.”What is key is for the EU police mission fully to take responsibility for policing Kosovo, but there seems to be some hesitation over this, which puts the Nato troops serving in the Kosovo Force (Kfor) in a difficult position. Kfor is not supposed to be a police force but is there to maintain a safe and secure environment,” one Nato diplomatic source said.

Unless the roles were properly organised and implemented, the sources said, it could provoke potential problems for the new country as it approaches the next key date in its development - June 15 - when the constitution comes into force, with significant authority transferring from UNMIK to the
Kosovars...

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Boy, this peacekeeping can sure get complicated:

NATO says can't be police force for Kosovo
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080528/n_top_news/news_kosovo_nato_col

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NATO troops should not be left to shoulder police tasks in Kosovo, the U.S.-led alliance said on Wednesday as signs grew that a European Union plan to take over police duties there faced months of delay.

Kosovo's ethnic Albanian government asked the EU to take over policing from the United Nations when it declared independence from Serbia in February, but Serb ally Russia has so far blocked any formal handover.

EU officials say the diplomatic logjam has held up their preparations for the mission and NATO is worried that its 16,000-plus KFOR peacekeeping force will be left to perform classic police duties such as crowd control.

"We don't want KFOR to be in the position of first responder. It is not a police force and should not be in the position of being a police force," an alliance spokesman said.

"We can and do ask other international organizations to play that role," he told reporters in Brussels as NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer headed to New York to discuss the issue with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon...

Alliance diplomats fear a scenario in which heavily armed NATO soldiers are called on to police demonstrations or deal with disturbances, tasks for which they have not been trained.

The 27-member EU initially hoped its 2,200-strong EULEX force would be able to take over police tasks ranging from riot control to training of senior officers by mid-June.

But with no formal handover agreed, the United Nations in Kosovo (UNMIK) mission is remaining on the ground. The logjam is preventing the EU personnel from taking over their premises and raising broader questions about how the two will coordinate.

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said this week he expected the EULEX mission to be fully operational in September or October, and EU officials now expect a potentially awkward period of cohabitation with UNMIK for some time
[emphasis added].

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Ah, its wonderful,just watching the United Europeans swinging
into action.How many months ago was the it agreed that the EU
would take over the civilian policing in Kosovo?.If we could just
harness the hot air these European politicos spout we would be
closer to solving the climate change problems.
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as occasionally to see a dead general
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An interesting look at Serbia

http://www.michaeltotten.com/

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How will there be no "prejudice to the status of Kosovo" (i.e. part of Serbia under UNSC Resolution 1244 http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/1244.pdf )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7451310.stm

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UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has set out plans to start ceding UN functions in Kosovo to the EU, despite stiff opposition from Russia.

The announcement comes only days before the disputed territory adopts a new constitution, following its declaration of independence in February.

Russia has demanded that the UN head in Kosovo, Joachim Ruecker, be disciplined or sacked over the "scandalous" moves.

Moscow said such moves "must decisively be prevented".

Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu confirmed on Thursday that he had received a letter from Mr Ban.

He did not disclose its contents, but Reuters news agency said it had obtained a copy.

"It is my intention to reconfigure the structure and profile of the international civil presence to one that... enables the European Union to assume an enhanced operational role in Kosovo," Mr Ban says in the letter, according to Reuters.

Nato role

Kosovo has been under UN supervision since Nato forces ousted Yugoslav forces from the Serbian province in the late 1990s.

Russia has backed its Serbian ally and opposed steps towards independence for Kosovo, including the handover of responsibility for security from the UN to the EU.

Mr Ban said the "reconfiguration" of the Unmik mission would not "prejudice to the status of Kosovo".

However, Russia said any change to a UN mission must involve the UN Security Council - where Russia holds veto power.

Meanwhile, Nato announced that its member states would train a new multi-ethnic internal security force in Kosovo.

A Nato spokesman said the new Kosovo Security Force would be 2,500 members strong, multi-ethnic, civilian-controlled, and lightly armed.

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Kosova constitution proclaimed; UN mostly moving out:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4144414.ece

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Kosovo’s Government adopted its new constitution yesterday in a low-key ceremony intended to mark the handover of UN administrative power to Pristina and the EU...

In reality, a full handover of UN authority could take many months and it is expected to remain a key player in the Serb half of the northern city of Mitrovica, where the EU has struggled to establish a presence.

President Tadic of Serbia said he viewed the proclamation of the Kosovan constitution as illegal. “Serbia views Kosovo as its southern province,” he said. “It will defend its integrity by peaceful means, using diplomacy, without resorting to force.”..

The UN has overseen Kosovo’s institutions since its brief war with Serbia in 1999 to halt the ethnic cleansing of the late former Serb ruler Slobodan Milosevic.

UN responsibility for helping the police and local government was mostly passed to the EU last week at Kosovo’s request but Russia said it considered the 2,200-strong EU mission illegal because it has not been approved by the UN Security Council.

Despite the Russian protests, Ban Ki Moon, the UN Secretary General, said last week that he intended to “reconfigure the international civil presence” in Kosovo “in keeping with the European Union’s expressed willingness to play an enhanced operational role in Kosovo in the area of the rule of law.”

He added: “The European Union will, over a period of time, gradually assume increasing operational responsibilities in the areas of international policing, justice, and customs throughout Kosovo.”

However, the UN is expected to continue to play a role in Mitrovica, further fuelling fears of an ethnic partition [emphasis added]...

Kosovo’s declaration of independence in February has been recognised by 43 UN member nations including Britain, the United States and Turkey. The EU remains divided with Spain and Romania among seven members refusing to acknowledge its legitimacy...

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What's the exit strategy for this failed military mission?  And where are the demands to end the futile foreign occupation
http://www.euforbih.org/eufor/index.php?Itemid=28&id=12&option=com_content&task=view
of an obviously failed state with a large Muslim population? Bosnia-Hercegovina, that is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/22/AR2009082202234.html?sid=ST2009082202479

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Fourteen years after the United States and NATO intervened to stop war and ethnic cleansing in Bosnia [Canadian angle here--there were no great demands to withdraw our troops, as I recall--odd that],
http://www.comfec-cefcom.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/nr-sp/doc-eng.asp?id=2279
the old divisions and hatreds are again gripping this Balkan country.

In June, the international envoy who oversees the rebuilding of Bosnia invoked emergency powers that he said were necessary to hold the country together. Although U.S. and European officials have been trying to get Bosnia to stand on its own feet for years, many Bosnian leaders say the only thing that can permanently fix their gridlocked government is for Washington to intervene -- again -- and rewrite the treaty that ended the war in 1995.

The economy is in tatters, with unemployment exceeding 40 percent. Serbs are talking openly of secession. Croats are leaving the country in droves. Religious schisms are widening. In December, street protests erupted after Bosnian Muslim school officials in Sarajevo tried to ban "Santa Claus" from delivering gifts to kindergartens.

The national government answers to three presidents, who agree on one thing: Corruption, political infighting and bureaucratic dysfunction are paralyzing the country...

The European Union, the United States and other donors have spent billions of dollars trying to rebuild Bosnia since the 1995 signing of the Dayton peace accords, brokered largely by U.S. diplomats. An estimated 100,000 people were killed during the war, which erupted in 1992 after Bosnia declared independence from the former Yugoslavia...

But the international campaign to transform Bosnia into a pluralistic democracy is still limping along with no end in sight. The struggle serves as a cautionary example for U.S.-led efforts to rebuild much larger nations hamstrung by ethnic and religious factions, such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bosnia is still overseen by an international viceroy, known as the high representative,
http://www.ohr.int/
who holds unchecked authority to dismiss local officials and set policy if deemed necessary for the welfare of the country...

Just wondering. I guess the difference is that those foreign occupiers aren't dying in combat.

And a post at Daimnation! about another failing, mainly Muslim, polity:

Helping this country is futile
http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/011068.html

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