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Military Police Officer Medical Requirements
« Reply #175 on: December 21, 2009, 23:01:13 »
Hey, how's everyone doing? I just had a couple questions in regards to the medical requirements of a MP Officer. Basically I am physically fit thats not my main concern I can do 100 pushups, 50 chinups both close-grip and wide-grip the rest is self explainatory running etc, I've been training for it. My concern is that I used to have depression about 2 years ago I was diagnosed with dysthymia which is a mild case of depression which has presisted for a large duration of time. This is mainly related to my performance in highschool etc, but now I am almost finished my Bachelors Degree in psychology and I haven't been on anti-depressants for 2 years been feeling great. My main problem was related to my performance in highschool, grades etc.

Now my question is, will this previous history of depression disqualify me of having the opportunity of serving in the Canadian forces? I have recently applied for another career about 4 years prior to this post and that was before I knew what depression was and that I even had it. I decided before completing my medical examination to continue my education instead of serving as a NCM.

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Re: Military Police Officer Medical Requirements
« Reply #176 on: December 22, 2009, 07:02:41 »
Hey, how's everyone doing? I just had a couple questions in regards to the medical requirements of a MP Officer. Basically I am physically fit thats not my main concern I can do 100 pushups, 50 chinups both close-grip and wide-grip the rest is self explainatory running etc, I've been training for it. My concern is that I used to have depression about 2 years ago I was diagnosed with dysthymia which is a mild case of depression which has presisted for a large duration of time. This is mainly related to my performance in highschool etc, but now I am almost finished my Bachelors Degree in psychology and I haven't been on anti-depressants for 2 years been feeling great. My main problem was related to my performance in highschool, grades etc.

Now my question is, will this previous history of depression disqualify me of having the opportunity of serving in the Canadian forces? I have recently applied for another career about 4 years prior to this post and that was before I knew what depression was and that I even had it. I decided before completing my medical examination to continue my education instead of serving as a NCM.

The medical requirements for a MP officer are exactly the same for anyone else joining the CF.  If you look into the forums on Medicals, you will find topics that cover "Depression" and "Antidepressants".  You may even find the topic of "dysthymia" already covered.
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« Reply #177 on: February 07, 2010, 12:28:43 »
Hi my name is David i am 19years old and its my firts posting on this forum.

My question is about antidepressents, im taking this since like 1year ago and im on recovery way. I have more good days then bad days well im almost 100% restored. I would like to join the forces, but can i do with these pills?

Sry if i did orthographe faults im a french guy.

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Re: Antidepressants
« Reply #178 on: February 07, 2010, 12:49:27 »
The best thing to do is see a recruiter. They're the only ones that can tell you the right answer.

Good luck!

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #179 on: February 07, 2010, 13:47:26 »
If you know french go read this: http://www.mensongepsy.com/fr/?p=627  and say your opinion.   

If you cant read the page... well overall its say that the soldier in  Afghanistan take antidepressant ...  Dozens of Canadian troops in Afghanistan are taking medication to sleep or to treat depression and this situation may be more common



The military on treatment are monitored closely to ensure that their mental health problems and their treatments do not affect their performance, "says Lieutenant-Colonel Theresa Girvin, psychiatrist Canadian Forces currently deployed to the military hospital Kandaha


They already have depressive people in war so... say what you think about that

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #180 on: February 07, 2010, 14:06:06 »
And your point is?

It's one thing to treat soldiers for insomnia and use anti-depressants for a short time, along with therapy, etc to treat problems.  It is quite another thing to enroll someone who is on anti-depressants and has been for a long period of time.  I have a friend who was medically released from the military because they were on medication to control OCD and it was going to be long-term.

Oh, and BTW, insomnia is not depression.

As Flap Jack mentioned, go and see the recruiter.
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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #181 on: February 07, 2010, 14:15:40 »
And your point is?

It's one thing to treat soldiers for insomnia and use anti-depressants for a short time, along with therapy, etc to treat problems.  It is quite another thing to enroll someone who is on anti-depressants and has been for a long period of time.  I have a friend who was medically released from the military because they were on medication to control OCD and it was going to be long-term.

Oh, and BTW, insomnia is not depression.

As Flap Jack mentioned, go and see the recruiter.

Moe,

Can you quantify short time, and where, if available, it is directed please.

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #182 on: February 07, 2010, 14:29:49 »
Moe,

Can you quantify short time, and where, if available, it is directed please.

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Tess, I can only speak from personal experience.  Two weeks maybe?  I really can't remember.  As far as your other question, not quite sure what you mean.  Did you mean is there an actual written direction?  I doubt it.

Edit:  Oh sure, post a question and then go offline!  Is the game on?   ;)
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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #183 on: February 07, 2010, 14:45:47 »
Tess, I can only speak from personal experience.  Two weeks maybe?  I really can't remember.  As far as your other question, not quite sure what you mean.  Did you mean is there an actual written direction?  I doubt it.

Edit:  Oh sure, post a question and then go offline!  Is the game on?   ;)

I'm still here.

Some anti depressants take 1-3 months to Adjust before proper effects take place, so I can't comment on your personal experience.

What I am trying to demonstrate, unless official documentation is available to give the person, it is best he see a recruiter who can direct him in the right places to find out the answers.

Anecdotes, and hazy personal experience does not really help.  It perpetuates myth, and strengthens stigmas.

There are many people in the forces that are able to meet the universality of service, that have been prescribed medication to deal with various OSI's and Mental injuries.  They have been on them longer that 2 weeks.

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #184 on: February 07, 2010, 14:53:47 »
Tess, I agree.  The poster was told to see a recruiter and then posted some article as if trying to refute the response by Flap Jack?  To show implied approval?  I don't know what was intended by it.  I also (in my last line) told him to see a recruiter.  My response was more towards the posting of the article than anything else.

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Re: Antidepressants
« Reply #185 on: February 07, 2010, 15:24:14 »
Hi my name is David i am 19years old and its my firts posting on this forum.

My question is about antidepressents, im taking this since like 1year ago and im on recovery way. I have more good days then bad days well im almost 100% restored. I would like to join the forces, but can i do with these pills?

Sry if i did orthographe faults im a french guy.

Unless things have changed since I was last doing recruit medicals late last year, you won't get accepted until you've been off the medication and stable off of it for at least a year...you'll also need a letter from your prescribing physician reflecting this.

As for troops already in, guess what, they get sick too and need to be helped or treated - but they are already in and we're responsible for their health care once they're in, so we treat them.  We don't want to be continuing treatment for something that might worsen under the stresses of recruit school, that's why we wait a year to see how well you're handling life.

BTW - if you're in and being treated for something that isn't resolving or requires long term therapy and not improve, you might not be in for much longer -  people with long term mental health issues can and do get medically released because of those issues just the same as people with physical health problems.

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #186 on: February 07, 2010, 15:34:32 »

BTW - if you're in and being treated for something that isn't resolving or requires long term therapy and not improve, you might not be in for much longer -  people with long term mental health issues can and do get medically released because of those issues just the same as people with physical health problems.

Cheers.

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #187 on: February 07, 2010, 17:20:35 »
We're not talking about serving members. Stop the sidetrack.

We're talking about someone that wants to join and is taking meds or is diagnosed as having depression.

They have to see the Recuiter, for an answer. Full stop.

What problems or meds a serving member is having is immaterial to this thread, or to someone who has yet to be recruited. Start your own thread and discussion if that's the tact you wish to take

Bottom line, if you don't meet the standards for recruitment, because of meds or a condition, YOU - DON'T - GET -  IN!!

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Antidepressants weaning
« Reply #188 on: March 10, 2010, 14:05:13 »
Hi everyone,
   
   I'm actually in the process for a job in the CF. The only mistake in my case is the antidepressant that I take for a stress disorder. But me and my doctor decide to start the weaning of this medication. It would take probably around two month.
   
I would like to know if there are some people here who was already in this king of situation and how long
should I wait approximately after my Antidepressants weaning to get a call from CF ?
   
Sorry for my English, I'm from Quebec and I don't really know how it looks like for english people who read this.
   
Thanks,
Sebastien

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Re: Antidepressants weaning
« Reply #189 on: March 10, 2010, 14:11:22 »
There are a large number of threads about antidepressant use on the forum, including some that discuss cases where people stopped taking them.

Start your search either with the site search engine or by using a targeted search in Google, like this one: site:army.ca antidepressants

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #190 on: April 02, 2010, 05:49:34 »
The belief that applicants with depression should be granted admission solely because some actively serving members could bear the same ailment is purely erroneous. Requirements are a paradigm, thus they're not subject to flexibility unless there are extenuating circumstances. Yeah it sucks to have an affliction, because of past traumatic events, or heredity, but life has never been rosy. Active members of the military who display depression do so after entering the forces, not prior. Therefore, it's not entirely respectful or fair to question the competency of active members, based on personal qualms.

With that said, I think the policies regarding past sufferers of depression could be a bit clearer. From what I've gleaned, the decision to permit a previously diagnosed applicant is conducted by Ottawa on a case by case basis. In order to verify that an individual is qualified, s/he needs to provide supplementary documentation certifying their competency and health, but even if an applicant is given a glowing report by their encumbent physician, it doesn't guarantee a green flag from Ottawa. I think the policies and stipulations concerning the inadmissibility of an applicant need to be addressed with a lot more clarity. For example, why is it that applicants can still be rejected even after being given a clean bill of health by the physician responsible for their diagnosis. Is there a minimum period of time that needs to be spent free of therapy, medications and symptoms in order to qualify? (The number seems to fluctuate between 6 to 12 months, but there's no concrete information available on this, apart from anecdotes.) Also, is the physician required to provide a letter, or actually fill out forms provided by the CFRC? (Again, the stories seem to differ on this). And finally, does one rejection due to a history of depression invalidate an applicant permanently, or are they eligible for another chance after a year? There are answers to these questions available on the board, but they lack consistency and clarity.

Though I understand the indignation and disappointment underlying the complaints that are being made against these disqualifications, some of the criticisms being made against CF members, and recruiting policies are not constructive, and childish at worst.

On the other hand, the policies regarding depression based disqualification could be a lot clearer. Anecdotes and inconsistent accounts don't generate much confidence in the system. The impression that mentally fit applicants are being denied a privilege, due to a stigma from the past belies their potential worth in the future. Applicants who are fit, and provide documents which certify their competency, but still end up being denied need to know why, and how they can come back with a viable chance. In addition, applicants who do have past depression need to know what the requirements are, and what kind of timeline they need to fulfil so they don't inundate the system with applications that are ultimately going to be rejected.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #191 on: April 02, 2010, 10:15:29 »
See post #187
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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #192 on: April 07, 2010, 09:54:56 »
Just got off the phone with the Med at VanCFRC.
She is sending out the form tomorrow (Friday).
She went over it with me...

Family Doctor to fill out:

-Psychological Diagnosis? With date(s)
-Treatment? ie. Medication(s)? Last Used?
-Is treatment ongoing?
-Has treatment been discontinued?
-Is there a risk of reoccurance?
-Does the family doc have any concerns?
-How are my coping skills and abilities?
-Can I handle weapons/explosives?

So all-in-all I think things will go smooth if I get this form filled and fax it back prior to my Medical on April 8th.

She was so helpful and encouraging.
I reccomend any and everybody to call your recruiting centre with ANY concerns you have.  They want you in as bad as you want in.

Good luck and good day.

I had a doctor that prescribed some meds I was taking to fill one of those forms out for me.  I didn't read it until I was about to hand it in to the recruiter, and apparently my doctor wrote down that I shouldn't:
-Psychological Diagnosis? With date(s) Bi-polar
-Treatment? ie. Medication(s)? Last Used? On-going
-Is treatment ongoing? NA
-Has treatment been discontinued? NA
-Is there a risk of reoccurance? NA
-Does the family doc have any concerns? Yes
-Can I handle weapons/explosives? NO

It's weird considering that I went to my doctor saying that I wasn't suicidal at all, and was just wondering if there was the possibility that there might be physiology imbalance that's causing me to be unmotivated, aggravated, sleeping all-day, etc.  I even told the doc that the whole thing might just be situational and the whole depression/bi-polar issue might just a shot-in-the-dark (better to be sure than unsure).

After being told by the recruiter that if I continued the application process, it would guarantee that I won't ever be accepted by the CF, and that my only option was to be off the meds for a year or two and reapply again with a clean slate.  Now, is there sometimes I can do to make my situation any better?  I mean I'm not saying my application should be sugarcoated per se, but having a doctor (not even my family physician or a mental health expert) to write-up how I'm completely unqualified seems a bit drastic.
Should I be getting a second opinion or just find a way to convince the doc that wrote up that report or anything?

Thanks

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #193 on: April 07, 2010, 14:31:00 »
I had a doctor that prescribed some meds I was taking to fill one of those forms out for me.  I didn't read it until I was about to hand it in to the recruiter, and apparently my doctor wrote down that I shouldn't:
-Psychological Diagnosis? With date(s) Bi-polar
-Treatment? ie. Medication(s)? Last Used? On-going
-Is treatment ongoing? NA
-Has treatment been discontinued? NA
-Is there a risk of reoccurance? NA
-Does the family doc have any concerns? Yes
-Can I handle weapons/explosives? NO

It's weird considering that I went to my doctor saying that I wasn't suicidal at all, and was just wondering if there was the possibility that there might be physiology imbalance that's causing me to be unmotivated, aggravated, sleeping all-day, etc.  I even told the doc that the whole thing might just be situational and the whole depression/bi-polar issue might just a shot-in-the-dark (better to be sure than unsure).

After being told by the recruiter that if I continued the application process, it would guarantee that I won't ever be accepted by the CF, and that my only option was to be off the meds for a year or two and reapply again with a clean slate.  Now, is there sometimes I can do to make my situation any better?  I mean I'm not saying my application should be sugarcoated per se, but having a doctor (not even my family physician or a mental health expert) to write-up how I'm completely unqualified seems a bit drastic.
Should I be getting a second opinion or just find a way to convince the doc that wrote up that report or anything?

Thanks

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #194 on: April 07, 2010, 15:49:10 »
but having a doctor (not even my family physician or a mental health expert) to write-up how I'm completely unqualified seems a bit drastic.

But if the same doctor had declared you completely fit for service, you would have been first in line to scream that his opinion was clear and irrefutable right ?

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #195 on: April 07, 2010, 15:59:22 »
I had a doctor that prescribed some meds I was taking to fill one of those forms out for me.  I didn't read it until I was about to hand it in to the recruiter, and apparently my doctor wrote down that I shouldn't:
-Psychological Diagnosis? With date(s) Bi-polar
-Treatment? ie. Medication(s)? Last Used? On-going
-Is treatment ongoing? NA
-Has treatment been discontinued? NA
-Is there a risk of reoccurance? NA
-Does the family doc have any concerns? Yes
-Can I handle weapons/explosives? NO

It's weird considering that I went to my doctor saying that I wasn't suicidal at all, and was just wondering if there was the possibility that there might be physiology imbalance that's causing me to be unmotivated, aggravated, sleeping all-day, etc.  I even told the doc that the whole thing might just be situational and the whole depression/bi-polar issue might just a shot-in-the-dark (better to be sure than unsure).

After being told by the recruiter that if I continued the application process, it would guarantee that I won't ever be accepted by the CF, and that my only option was to be off the meds for a year or two and reapply again with a clean slate.  Now, is there sometimes I can do to make my situation any better?  I mean I'm not saying my application should be sugarcoated per se, but having a doctor (not even my family physician or a mental health expert) to write-up how I'm completely unqualified seems a bit drastic.
Should I be getting a second opinion or just find a way to convince the doc that wrote up that report or anything?

Thanks

I have my doubts that the physician in question is going to risk their license and reverse their decision a week after the fact based purely on "I really want to get in and I'm not really that bad off".  You could go to a walk in clinic somewehere and hope that a sympathetic ear their might risk their license based on your say so, however, the RMO in Ottawa will take one look at the bottom part of the form that says "How long have you known the applicant?" with an answer that says "5 minutes" and put it in the "Sorry, nice try" basket.

On a less sarcastic note, if you really think you've been misdiagnosed by a primary care practitioner, I'd suggest going back to the one that made the diagnosis, and ask for them to consult you to a psychiatrist, ask them to fill out the form and ask for a copy of the consultation note to accompany it.  Find out how long it will take to get the appointment and ask that your file be kept open until that occurs.

I'll say again - it's nothing personal, it's just business.  No physician, based on their clinical judgement, is going to say "I think you're fine" when they think you aren't.  Sorry, that's just the way it is.

Good luck to you.

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #196 on: April 07, 2010, 17:33:59 »
"5 minutes" and put it in the "Sorry, nice try" basket.

Any guess as to who makes those baskets?
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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #197 on: April 07, 2010, 17:44:38 »
Any guess as to who makes those baskets?

"Occupational Therapy"?

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #198 on: April 07, 2010, 19:38:22 »
Any guess as to who makes those baskets?

Sounds like a song...

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Re: Depression / Anti-depressants
« Reply #199 on: April 17, 2010, 01:10:59 »
I have my doubts that the physician in question is going to risk their license and reverse their decision a week after the fact based purely on "I really want to get in and I'm not really that bad off".  You could go to a walk in clinic somewehere and hope that a sympathetic ear their might risk their license based on your say so, however, the RMO in Ottawa will take one look at the bottom part of the form that says "How long have you known the applicant?" with an answer that says "5 minutes" and put it in the "Sorry, nice try" basket.

On a less sarcastic note, if you really think you've been misdiagnosed by a primary care practitioner, I'd suggest going back to the one that made the diagnosis, and ask for them to consult you to a psychiatrist, ask them to fill out the form and ask for a copy of the consultation note to accompany it.  Find out how long it will take to get the appointment and ask that your file be kept open until that occurs.

I'll say again - it's nothing personal, it's just business.  No physician, based on their clinical judgement, is going to say "I think you're fine" when they think you aren't.  Sorry, that's just the way it is.

Good luck to you.

MM

Thank you.

I wasn't expecting the original doc to "write something different" or anything.  I just wanted to make sure that if I do get a second opinion, that it might actually worth something, and not be reviewed like,
"Hey, one of this individual's doctor wrote something that wasn't too good.... *ignores other papers*.... oh well..." *Stamps DENIED*

I just don't want it to be like the "mark of death" or like that episode on Seinfeld where anytime something bad happens, the doctors made a note of it, and you (and the main characters) know that it's bad and will come back to haunt them.