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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2011, 05:34:45 »
far off from grammatically correct.



It is not always about being grammatically correct. It should be about being correct, as the person being quoted said/wrote it. I did not look into the one you are talking about but if you change what someone said, it is no longer a quote.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2011, 12:12:10 »
If you're looking for grammatically correct quotes, then George W. Bush will remain silent to future generations.  On the other hand, mayby that's not such a bad thing...
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2011, 17:15:28 »
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Quote #1390 of 1491:
First you have good friends, then friends, aquaintances and then enemies...
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Who is this guy, and why is this a good quote? btw if anyone disagrees with my "hating" on certain quotes, then please by all means I am no expert.. I just post ones I think are not worthy to be quotables.. (as if anyone actually needs my permission, I just seem to be the only one posting ones that I believe should be removed)
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2011, 17:22:34 »
It is not always about being grammatically correct. It should be about being correct, as the person being quoted said/wrote it. I did not look into the one you are talking about but if you change what someone said, it is no longer a quote.

Your point is certainly correct, but I am glad you mentioned that you hadn't looked at the one I was talking about, because your point isn't relevant to it at all. All I did was correct piss-poor typing.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2011, 03:10:24 »
Who is this guy, and why is this a good quote? btw if anyone disagrees with my "hating" on certain quotes, then please by all means I am no expert.. I just post ones I think are not worthy to be quotables.. (as if anyone actually needs my permission, I just seem to be the only one posting ones that I believe should be removed)

I am also bothered by the all too frequent nonsense that various numbnuts have added to the quotes section.  A couple of years ago I made my own attempt to roll back some of the crap that confronts me when I open the home page. What makes a quotation quotable?  Thus far, I agree with your selections for editing/deletion.

Here is a nomination for the refuse bin.
 
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Quote #1163 of 1491:

SLs may lead the way, but SIs can shoot a bearing and get there faster.
- Flying Spirit

Huh?  What are “SLs” and “SIs” and who the f* is this idiot “Flying Spirit”?  I suspect that the attribution refers to someone who made a brief appearance on these means several years ago (while no longer listed as a member, there is lingering evidence of his former presence such as this post).  Likely enamoured with seeing his own user name and since no one would spontaneuosly think his thoughts either original or substantive enough to quote took it upon himself to add to the dross.

It appears that the search quotes function is a no longer, but I did find one other quote attributed to “Flying Spirit” (it was easy since it was the next in sequence).  This one I do not find as objectionable, except for the attribution.

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Quote #1164 of 1491:

One man, one kit.
- Flying Spirit

Since it is unlikely that Flying Spirit was the first to say this (or was even in the first one million to repeat it), the attribution should be changed to something along the lines of  “a commonly repeated Canadian military aphorism (saying) of unknown origin”.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2011, 20:52:50 »
Some of my favorites come form the Shakespeares Henry V.  Althought they are not actual quotes form historical figures, I find that the play has a lot to say about war, for examble:

In answear to a French demande for English surrender when the English are out-numbered 5 to 1 and much of the English army are sick
"The sum of all our answer is but this:
 We would not seek a battle, as we are;
 Nor, as we are, we say we will not shun it:"

and of course The St. Chrispins Day Speech, which was mentioned eariler but here is the whole speech:

"What's he that wishes so?
 My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin:
 If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
 To do our country loss; and if to live,
 The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
 God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
 By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
 Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
 It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
 Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
 But if it be a sin to covet honour,
 I am the most offending soul alive.
 No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
 God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
 As one man more, methinks, would share from me
 For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
 Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
 That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
 Let him depart; his passport shall be made
 And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
 We would not die in that man's company
 That fears his fellowship to die with us.
 This day is called the feast of Crispian:
 He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
 Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
 And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
 He that shall live this day, and see old age,
 Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
 And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
 Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
 And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
 Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
 But he'll remember with advantages
 What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
 Familiar in his mouth as household words
 Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
 Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
 Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
 This story shall the good man teach his son;
 And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
 From this day to the ending of the world,
 But we in it shall be remember'd;
 We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
 For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
 Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
 This day shall gentle his condition:
 And gentlemen in England now a-bed
 Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
 And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
 That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2011, 20:56:26 »
Who is this guy, and why is this a good quote? btw if anyone disagrees  ...

It's gone.

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Quote #1163 of 1491:

SLs may lead the way, but SIs can shoot a bearing and get there faster.
- Flying Spirit

Gone.

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Quote #1164 of 1491:

One man, one kit.
- Flying Spirit

Gone.

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2011, 20:59:51 »
The check and balance to letting people submit quotes is that others can also nominate them for deletion because, a. they're stupid, or b. because they are inaccurate.

Thank to those who identify the ones that need to go away.

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2011, 10:30:34 »
Thanks to those who identify the ones that need to go away.
The quotes, or the site members who post them?  :whistle:
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2011, 11:34:37 »
The quotes, or the site members who post them?  :whistle:

If we did that and sent away everyone on your personal hit list, you'd be reduced to making sarcastic replies to yourself.    ;D

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2011, 12:50:12 »
Huh?  What are “SLs” and “SIs” and who the f* is this idiot “Flying Spirit”?
Guessing it was an Air Cadet (senoir leader; survival instructor).

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2011, 18:28:10 »
If we did that and sent away everyone on your personal hit list, you'd be reduced to making sarcastic replies to yourself.    ;D
I'm sure that is already done when no one is looking.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2011, 11:20:45 »
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Kumbya and all that, but how is this military?   ???
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2011, 20:37:49 »
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I've been to hell and back again only to fight another day.
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I'm sure a lot of cadets "go to hell and back" and this guy is hard as Christmas candy and all that, but yea.. Terrible.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2011, 00:51:03 »
When Patton assumed command of Third Army, he replaced a number of the headquarters staff with his own people. Patton spoke to his headquarters staff on March 24, 1944 outside Peover Hall. Some were from his staff in Africa and Sicily but were new to Third Army. Others were fresh from the United States and had been part of Third Army from the beginning. On this day, Patton tailored his speech to a headquarters staff.

Patton’s Speech to the Staff Officers

I have been given command of Third Army for reasons which will become clear to you later on. You made an outstanding record as an able and hard-working staff under my predecessor. I have no doubt you will do the same for me. We now have two staffs merging into one, each with its own procedures. By working harmoniously and intelligently together a third staff will be developed with a third procedure, which should be better than either of the other two.

I am here because of the confidence of two men: The President of the United States and the theater commander. They have confidence in me because they don't believe a lot of goddamned lies that have been printed about me and also because they know I mean business when I fight. I don't fight for fun and I won't tolerate anyone on my staff who does.

You are here to fight. This is an active theater of war. Ahead of you lies battle. That means just one thing. You can't afford to be a goddamned fool, because, in battle, fools mean dead men. It is inevitable for men to be killed and wounded in battle. But there is no reason why such losses should be increased because of the incompetence and carelessness of some stupid son-of-a-*****. I don't tolerate such men on my staff.

There are three reasons why we are fighting this war. The first is because we are determined to preserve our traditional liberties. Some crazy German bastards decided they were supermen and that it was their holy mission to rule the world. They've been pushing people around all over the world, looting, killing, and abusing millions of innocent men, women, and children. They were getting set to do the same thing to us. We had to fight to prevent being subjugated.

The second reason we are fighting is to defeat and wipe out the Nazis who started all this goddamned son-of-bitchery. They didn't think we could or would fight, and they weren't the only ones who thought that, either. There are certain people back home who had the same idea. Both were wrong.

The third reason we are fighting is because men like to fight. They always have and they always will. Some sophists and other crackpots deny that. They don't know what they're talking about. They are either goddamned fools or cowards, or both. Men like to fight, and if they don't they're not real men.

If you don't like to fight, I don't want you around. You'd better get out before I kick you out. But there is one thing to remember. In war, it takes more than the desire to fight to win. You've got to have more than guts to lick the enemy. You must also have brains. It takes brains and guts to win wars. A man with guts but no brains is only half a soldier. We licked the Germans in Africa and Sicily because we had brains as well as guts. We're going to lick them in Europe for the same reason.

That's all and good luck.

http://www.historyinfilm.com/patton/bio.htm
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2011, 12:07:13 »
My favorite quote comes from my old Admin WO. He was a friend, and a mentor to me and will be missed.

" ......Fact, not fiction, dogmeat...and don't you forget it!" WO Charles Sinclair, 116 Indep FD Bty.

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2011, 19:38:26 »
When Patton assumed command of Third Army, he replaced a number of the headquarters staff with his own people. Patton spoke to his headquarters staff on March 24, 1944 outside Peover Hall. Some were from his staff in Africa and Sicily but were new to Third Army. Others were fresh from the United States and had been part of Third Army from the beginning. On this day, Patton tailored his speech to a headquarters staff.

Patton’s Speech to the Staff Officers

I have been given command of Third Army for reasons which will become clear to you later on. You made an outstanding record as an able and hard-working staff under my predecessor. I have no doubt you will do the same for me. We now have two staffs merging into one, each with its own procedures. By working harmoniously and intelligently together a third staff will be developed with a third procedure, which should be better than either of the other two.

I am here because of the confidence of two men: The President of the United States and the theater commander. They have confidence in me because they don't believe a lot of goddamned lies that have been printed about me and also because they know I mean business when I fight. I don't fight for fun and I won't tolerate anyone on my staff who does.

You are here to fight. This is an active theater of war. Ahead of you lies battle. That means just one thing. You can't afford to be a goddamned fool, because, in battle, fools mean dead men. It is inevitable for men to be killed and wounded in battle. But there is no reason why such losses should be increased because of the incompetence and carelessness of some stupid son-of-a-*****. I don't tolerate such men on my staff.

There are three reasons why we are fighting this war. The first is because we are determined to preserve our traditional liberties. Some crazy German bastards decided they were supermen and that it was their holy mission to rule the world. They've been pushing people around all over the world, looting, killing, and abusing millions of innocent men, women, and children. They were getting set to do the same thing to us. We had to fight to prevent being subjugated.

The second reason we are fighting is to defeat and wipe out the Nazis who started all this goddamned son-of-bitchery. They didn't think we could or would fight, and they weren't the only ones who thought that, either. There are certain people back home who had the same idea. Both were wrong.

The third reason we are fighting is because men like to fight. They always have and they always will. Some sophists and other crackpots deny that. They don't know what they're talking about. They are either goddamned fools or cowards, or both. Men like to fight, and if they don't they're not real men.

If you don't like to fight, I don't want you around. You'd better get out before I kick you out. But there is one thing to remember. In war, it takes more than the desire to fight to win. You've got to have more than guts to lick the enemy. You must also have brains. It takes brains and guts to win wars. A man with guts but no brains is only half a soldier. We licked the Germans in Africa and Sicily because we had brains as well as guts. We're going to lick them in Europe for the same reason.

That's all and good luck.

http://www.historyinfilm.com/patton/bio.htm

Hmmm.  Patton actually contradicts himself here.  First he says he doesn't fight for fun, then he says he likes to fight and expects all other "men" to like it as well.  Just more proof that he was bat-crap crazy.

Sure, apes read Nietzsche.  They just don't understand it.

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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2011, 19:18:55 »
Hmmm.  Patton actually contradicts himself here.  First he says he doesn't fight for fun, then he says he likes to fight and expects all other "men" to like it as well.  Just more proof that he was bat-crap crazy.

You mean, like, when he wanted to keep going and invade the Soviet Union aftet the war with Germany ended? Oh yeah, he was the definition of nuts. Fun to watch though!
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2011, 19:37:53 »
gun runner: Chuck was a great guy and the epitome of the clerk ensuring the soldiers were well looked after. He and "Doc" Holday were a team, and characters!
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2011, 18:37:52 »
Just seen this one.  Perhaps someone can shed some light on what he was trying to say.

The soundest strategy in war is to postpone operations until the moral disintegration of the enemy renders the delivery of the mortal blow both possible and easy.
- V. I. Lenin, Russian revolutionary leader

How is leaving the enemy alone going to disintegrate their morale?  Bore them to death?  It seems to go against everything we practice and preach about keeping the initiative.

Or am I just reading it wrong?
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2011, 18:59:40 »
Just seen this one.  Perhaps someone can shed some light on what he was trying to say.

The soundest strategy in war is to postpone operations until the moral disintegration of the enemy renders the delivery of the mortal blow both possible and easy.
- V. I. Lenin, Russian revolutionary leader

How is leaving the enemy alone going to disintegrate their morale?  Bore them to death?  It seems to go against everything we practice and preach about keeping the initiative.

Or am I just reading it wrong?

Some discussion / explanation of that quote here under "The Aims of Strategy":
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1942/1942-07-08a.html

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« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2011, 19:47:07 »
Narrowing it down to these sentences.

"Lenin put it another way when he said that "the soundest strategy in war is to postpone operations until the moral disintegration of the enemy renders the delivery of the mortal blow both possible and easy." We have seen this theory most thoroughly put into practice by Hitler against his successive opponents in this war; concluding with the classic example of France, when his Fifth Column and his preparatory subversive treatment of French bureaucracy quickly nullified the will to resist of the French Army."

I guess he was just speaking of kinetic ops, because that sure seems like an operation to me.

Thanks for the link.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2012, 21:21:03 »
ARTILLERY ADDS DIGNITY, TO WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE AN UGLY BRAWL.
- Unknown

Not sure what this means, other than having our Infantry fight without support, therefore an ugly brawl.  It's the word ugly that strikes me the most; the aftermath of an artillery barrage is far from pretty.

I guess if you can destroy your enemy with artillery and without a brawl it would be ideal, but we all know that is not possible.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2012, 23:42:09 »
ARTILLERY ADDS DIGNITY, TO WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE AN UGLY BRAWL.
- Unknown

Not sure what this means, other than having our Infantry fight without support, therefore an ugly brawl.  It's the word ugly that strikes me the most; the aftermath of an artillery barrage is far from pretty.

I guess if you can destroy your enemy with artillery and without a brawl it would be ideal, but we all know that is not possible.


This is the context in which I am most familiar with the quote:



It is, usually (just often?) attributed to Fredrick the Great ... a bit tongue in cheek, I suspect.
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Re: Discussing Military Quotes.
« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2012, 00:52:17 »
These mercenaries, I swear by God, those who are still in Washington, they have sent their troops to be burned.
- Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Information Minister

I think there should be a different place for the Iraqi info ops guys; maybe in a farce section.  Although it is humourous, they are hardly worthly of being taken seriously.
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