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Improved Combat Uniform
« on: June 28, 2011, 18:24:06 »
Received an email from CoC, it is a ppt slide show of the Improved Cmbt Uniform.
Any one else receive an email like this?
It's a little fishy to me.
If anybody can tell me how to attach a ppt I'd be happy to share.
I have many T-shirts and hats.

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 18:27:10 »
Received an email from CoC, it is a ppt slide show of the Improved Cmbt Uniform.
Any one else receive an email like this?
It's a little fishy to me.
If anybody can tell me how to attach a ppt I'd be happy to share.

Its on the up and up...I received it too and have seen at least one version of the Combat shirt already....
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 19:12:59 »
I have seen the PPT  like NFLD Sapper said it is real, my OC went to the Infantry conference a while back and gave us info on it. That being said I will believe it when I get told to go to clothing stores to draw it.
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 19:15:36 »
There is another thread here about the new shirts and confirmed by Vern...
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 09:39:24 »
I've got the powerpoint as well. Looks good so far.

Don't expect to see anything until late next summer.

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 10:49:15 »
The word "improved" is significant here.  This is not "new" (despite being advertised as the biggest uniform change since 1950) and so the Army will not be buying great stocks to replace the uniforms off everyone's backs.  Deploying TFs will be able to request specific kitting in the new uniform, but otherwise you had best not get any hopes of having this issued faster than your current clothing will wear-out.  There is also a plan for who will continue to be issued the current "pre-improved" uniform to depleat those stocks as the "not-new" uniforms start filling supply shelves on Army bases.


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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 10:55:20 »
If possible, could someone email me over the DIN with the powerpoint?

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 23:27:41 »
Ditto on the DIN email please.  PM me if you have it and I'll send my email info your way.  Sounds interesting.

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 23:31:00 »
To be honest, if you know what the US Army ACU uniform looks like, it's just that in cadpat.
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 23:32:00 »
Were there any photos in the PPT?

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2011, 05:30:55 »
Were there any photos in the PPT?

Yes
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2011, 11:51:25 »
Ditto on the DIN email please.  PM me if you have it and I'll send my email info your way.  Sounds interesting.

Myself as well please.

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2011, 14:03:00 »
How can I get a copy? Thanks
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2011, 14:10:08 »
I'd also like to see a copy.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2011, 14:23:50 »
Which begs the question that I have always wondered: will we be forced to blouse the pants on these?  And if so, why?
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2011, 14:28:25 »
If you are on the DIN, go onto Documentum then Crse Material/06 Inf/ 1- Others/D-Inf/Ex Bayonet 11 then open the PPT called 13052011_DLR5 Brief.  Here is the link not sure if it will work http://webtop.gagetown.mil.ca:8080/anonymous-en/component/drl?objectId=0c0004bc800019b1&ReLoad=1132423236316

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2011, 14:41:00 »
Which begs the question that I have always wondered: will we be forced to blouse the pants on these?  And if so, why?

And the issue with blousing your pants is? While the CF was deployed on cbt ops in Afghanistan or if we are on ops....I don't have an issue with ventilation or circulation....while in garrison and I see troops NOT on a BFT or involved in field type training....then I have issues. So what are the reasons we should not blouse our pants?

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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2011, 14:52:36 »
Jim, what are the (crusty old guy) reasons we SHOULD?

There is no reason to blouse our combat pants aside from "cleanliness".  But then does that mean that we are lesser soldiers when we wear our raingear?  Our Windpants?  Cause I have rarely if ever seen enforcement of those being bloused.
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2011, 14:56:40 »
Jim, what are the (crusty old guy) reasons we SHOULD?

There is no reason to blouse our combat pants aside from "cleanliness".  But then does that mean that we are lesser soldiers when we wear our raingear?  Our Windpants?  Cause I have rarely if ever seen enforcement of those being bloused.

And wind pants rain gear etc should never be bloused. Agreed.

And cleanliness and looking neat is a garrison norm. I think we all know that. I, for one, will not stand for troops looking slovenly in garrison when they have the facilities and time to look their best.

And that includes blousing your pants (not wind pants or rain gear) when required. When CFP 265 says we can walk around with pants unbloused at any time, then its good. Until then, blouse them. Thank you.

So tell me why we should NOT blouse our pants?
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2011, 15:08:42 »
I am playing devil's advocate here... but I have asked around and no one can ever seem to answer my "why?" question with anything except "because we've always done it like that".

And by the way, searching for the term "blouse" in the CFP265 doesn't bring any regulation that instructs soldiers to wear their combat pants bloused.

Why should we not?  It's easier? The Brits don't do it, neither do the Americans do they?
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2011, 15:18:17 »
I am playing devil's advocate here... but I have asked around and no one can ever seem to answer my "why?" question with anything except "because we've always done it like that".

And by the way, searching for the term "blouse" in the CFP265 doesn't bring any regulation that instructs soldiers to wear their combat pants bloused.

Why should we not?  It's easier? The Brits don't do it, neither do the Americans do they?

While in garrison the Americans blouse their pants. Not so sure about the Brits...but then again they are Brits. I looked in 265 as well and its outdated.

Note I am only talking garrison here, not the field during a tactical ex. And I am aware that some people seem unable to differentiate between the two.

Devil's advocate is fine....but I need reasons why we should not to see your point of view.
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2011, 15:24:40 »
And I need reasons why we should to see your point of view.

The 265 and in all the revisions I have has absolutely NO section regarding combat uniforms.  The only reference to blousing is the updated section on MP uniforms.

I understand your point on garrison vs field and to that I reply with this:  Wouldn't it be easier to just have it unbloused all the time?  It would make for a more efficient soldier, no?  As for your "field/tactical" ex.. what about deployments in civvie land?  Do we remain at "parade ready" state just in case?



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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2011, 15:32:32 »
And I need reasons why we should to see your point of view.

The 265 and in all the revisions I have has absolutely NO section regarding combat uniforms.  The only reference to blousing is the updated section on MP uniforms.

I understand your point on garrison vs field and to that I reply with this:  Wouldn't it be easier to just have it unbloused all the time?  It would make for a more efficient soldier, no?  As for your "field/tactical" ex.. what about deployments in civvie land?  Do we remain at "parade ready" state just in case?

While RSMs, and the CofC maintain that at least in garrison cbt pants will be bloused - no "reasons" are required or for anyone to share Jim's point of view besides the reason of "RSMs, and the CofC maintain that at least in garrison cbt pants will be bloused" at least everywhere I have worked. Also I can't say I have often seen a soldier's effectiveness degraded in garrison due to bloused pants but I may have just missed it.
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2011, 15:34:27 »
I asked you first!! ;)

My reasons for blousing pants in garrison are simple - and I'm not  a blind obedience sort  or "uniformity at the expense of common sense" kind of person - and that reason is that dress and deportment while you are in garrison is important. A bunch of troops trotting - marching- around with pants unbloused looks like crap. Some may tuck their sand traps in, some may not. Its, IMO, unprofessional looking and touches on the slovenly.

While you are in the field on a tac ex is entirely another matter. Ventilation and circulation is important. If we had allowed troops to unblouse in the field in the 70's and 80s maybe I wouldn't have the unsightliest set of varicose veins on earth.
If we are deployed in civvyland on an op or exercise....that depends on the Chain of Command. A tinge of common sense must be used.

A few years ago some of the senior leadership didn't like the pictures coming out of the sandbox, troops in FOBs or on patrol with unbloused pants and sleeves rolled half way up.....the rocket went out to put a stop to it.
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Re: Improved Combat Uniform
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2011, 15:35:38 »
Which begs the question that I have always wondered: will we be forced to blouse the pants on these?  And if so, why?
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